You know I reached under my bed and found my old Phillips CD100 the other
day. It still works!
A bit touchy to seizmic events, slow to find tracks, band a bit on the
bright side of comfortable, but it does still play CDs.

Be an antique soon I guess. sigh.

Brian


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Brian Gaff wrote:
You know I reached under my bed and found my old Phillips CD100 the other
day. It still works!
A bit touchy to seizmic events, slow to find tracks, band a bit on the
bright side of comfortable, but it does still play CDs.

If you've got a Sony CDP-101 in your attic as well then I'll be
impressed. Always wanted to hear one of those.

"Anton Gÿsen" wrote in message

Brian Gaff wrote:
You know I reached under my bed and found my old
Phillips CD100 the other day. It still works!
A bit touchy to seizmic events, slow to find tracks,
band a bit on the bright side of comfortable, but it
does still play CDs.

If you've got a Sony CDP-101 in your attic as well then
I'll be impressed. Always wanted to hear one of those.

I have one that still works very well. Even plays CD-Rs well.

Arny Krueger wrote:
"Anton Gÿsen" wrote in message

Brian Gaff wrote:
You know I reached under my bed and found my old
Phillips CD100 the other day. It still works!
A bit touchy to seizmic events, slow to find tracks,
band a bit on the bright side of comfortable, but it
does still play CDs.

If you've got a Sony CDP-101 in your attic as well then
I'll be impressed. Always wanted to hear one of those.

I have one that still works very well. Even plays CD-Rs well.

What does it sound like and how does it compare to modern CD players?

"Anton Gÿsen" wrote in message

Arny Krueger wrote:
"Anton Gÿsen" wrote in message

Brian Gaff wrote:
You know I reached under my bed and found my old
Phillips CD100 the other day. It still works!
A bit touchy to seizmic events, slow to find tracks,
band a bit on the bright side of comfortable, but it
does still play CDs.

If you've got a Sony CDP-101 in your attic as well then
I'll be impressed. Always wanted to hear one of those.

I have one that still works very well. Even plays CD-Rs
well.

What does it sound like and how does it compare to modern
CD players?

It sounds good enough all by itself. In a close ABX test with certain
program material and speakers you can hear its two most potentially audible
failings:

(1) It uses analog filters whose response gets a little weird and
rolled-off above about 15 KHz.

(2) It has only one DAC that is time shared between the two output channels.
So, particularly if you have a center channel speaker driven by the two
channels summed, there is an additional roll-off above about 12 KHz that is
more audible.

For casual listening with most speakers and music, its fine.

BTW you should know that a very high proportion of all CDP101s contained
chips that slowly failed and made them mistrack just a little, and then
later mistrack a lot. In the early stages of failure, the tracking problems
are subtle and can sound like all sorts of weird things for different discs
and different people.

Arny Krueger wrote:
"Anton Gÿsen" wrote in message

Arny Krueger wrote:
"Anton Gÿsen" wrote in message

Brian Gaff wrote:
You know I reached under my bed and found my old
Phillips CD100 the other day. It still works!
A bit touchy to seizmic events, slow to find tracks,
band a bit on the bright side of comfortable, but it
does still play CDs.
If you've got a Sony CDP-101 in your attic as well then
I'll be impressed. Always wanted to hear one of those.
I have one that still works very well. Even plays CD-Rs
well.

What does it sound like and how does it compare to modern
CD players?

It sounds good enough all by itself. In a close ABX test with certain
program material and speakers you can hear its two most potentially audible
failings:

(1) It uses analog filters whose response gets a little weird and
rolled-off above about 15 KHz.

I can imagine it sounds a bit "shut in".

(2) It has only one DAC that is time shared between the two output channels.
So, particularly if you have a center channel speaker driven by the two
channels summed, there is an additional roll-off above about 12 KHz that is
more audible.

The vast majority of people won't be using a centre speaker, especially
not in the early 80s when they came out.

Does it have a digital out? Surely not.

For casual listening with most speakers and music, its fine.

BTW you should know that a very high proportion of all CDP101s contained
chips that slowly failed and made them mistrack just a little, and then
later mistrack a lot. In the early stages of failure, the tracking problems
are subtle and can sound like all sorts of weird things for different discs
and different people.

I can't say I'm interested in buying one, I'd just like to borrow one
for a few days.

I thought it was the drawer mechanism that packed up due to the grease
drying out. They look like they're built like a tank.

"Arny Krueger"
"Anton Gÿsen"

What does it sound like and how does it compare to modern
CD players?

It sounds good enough all by itself.


** Sounds good compared to any CD player ever made.


In a close ABX test with certain program material and speakers you can
hear its two most potentially audible failings:


** In fact, they are almost never audible to anyone and in no way
constitute "failings".


(1) It uses analog filters whose response gets a little weird and
rolled-off above about 15 KHz.


** Arny should get an prize for his use of * purple prose* # .

Sony CDP101s have a FLAT response +0 / - 0.5 dB out to the limits of
audibility.


(2) It has only one DAC that is time shared between the two output
channels.


** It has one converter IC, but that IC is internally a stereo DAC.

The inter-channel delay is only 11.3 uS which is equal to 1/8 inch path
difference between ears and speakers. IOW non audible.


So, particularly if you have a center channel speaker driven by the two
channels summed, there is an additional roll-off above about 12 KHz that
is more audible.


** Complete ******** !!

Falsely assumes the machine is playing a MONO disk with L and R channels
*in perfect level and phase match* out to 20 kHz - something only
available from a test CD.



For casual listening with most speakers and music, its fine.

** For the *most serious of listening* with the best available speakers
( ie Quad ESL63s & subsequent models ) it is more than fine.



BTW you should know that a very high proportion of all CDP101s contained
....

** Note Arny's concealed use of the past tense.

The ICs concerned ( dual power op-amps ) all failed in the first year or two
of life - so any CDP101 still working has had them replaced long ago with
another type that simply does not have the problem.


# from Wiki:

" Purple prose is a term of literary criticism used to describe passages, or
sometimes entire literary works, written in prose so overly extravagant,
ornate, or flowery as to break the flow and draw attention to itself. Purple
prose is sensually evocative beyond the requirements of its context. It also
refers to writing that employs certain rhetorical effects such as
exaggerated sentiment or pathos in an attempt to manipulate a reader's
response. "


Arny does never informs - he manipulates.



....... Phil

They were the ones with the shared do to a i think that had phase shift with
rising frequency between channels.
Brian

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"Anton Gÿsen" wrote in message
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Brian Gaff wrote:
You know I reached under my bed and found my old Phillips CD100 the
other day. It still works!
A bit touchy to seizmic events, slow to find tracks, band a bit on the
bright side of comfortable, but it does still play CDs.

If you've got a Sony CDP-101 in your attic as well then I'll be impressed.
Always wanted to hear one of those.

Brian Gaff wrote:
You know I reached under my bed and found my old Phillips CD100 the other
day. It still works!
A bit touchy to seizmic events, slow to find tracks, band a bit on the
bright side of comfortable, but it does still play CDs.

Be an antique soon I guess. sigh.

Double blind test. You know you want to!


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"Eiron" wrote in message
...
Brian Gaff wrote:
You know I reached under my bed and found my old Phillips CD100 the
other day. It still works!
A bit touchy to seizmic events, slow to find tracks, band a bit on the
bright side of comfortable, but it does still play CDs.

Be an antique soon I guess. sigh.

Double blind test. You know you want to!


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Eiron.

I've just been given a Marantz CD63, which was the Marantz-badged version of
the CD100. Compared it to my current Meridian 206, couldn't say there was
any obvious difference, even though the Meridian was going to my 'speakers
SP-DIF to SP-DIF direct, and the Marantz was going through my A-D converter
first.

Just goes to show that if a product is audibly transparent, it's
transparent, and one transparent product will sound like another transparent
product.

If I can be bothered, I may do some level-matched blind testing, but even
sighted and not accurately level matched, there really wasn't anything to
choose between them.

S.
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