"Keith G" wrote in message


No, you're missing the point - the job of a hifi system
is to try and convince you that 'you are there' (as *one*
here would once have had it) - ie create an illusion of
'reality'.

So far, so good.

On a really good system, the sound is to try
and recreate a realistic illusion of, say, a viola well
enough that you don't confuse it with the sound you would
expect to hear from a violin.

Straw man argument. An audio system has to be really bad to confuse a
knowlegable person that a violin is a viola and vice versa.

But please save yourself the effort and don't bang on
about 'differences' between amplifiers, especially SS
amps (of which I have and use 3 on a daily basis) - I
have never said anything *other* than they sound the
'same'! My personal hobby horses are 'vinyl vs, digital'
and 'horns' vs. 'normal speakers' - both of which are
distinctly different to my ears, as are the differences
between various phono carts....

Trying desperately to get your mind to hold steadily onto your origional
thought Keith...

By what means does adding randomly-selected noise and distortion to a
recording improve its ability to create an illusion of reality?

What concert hall comes with built-in LP tics?

"Arny Krueger" wrote


AK's own peculiar brand of Usenet claptrap snipped


What concert hall comes with built-in LP tics?


OK, another *Tip For Life* specially for Arny:

If all you hear are 'tics' when you play a record then you had better give
up and settle for the best you can get off a CD....

And then a question for all:

Has anyone ever been to concert hall that was anything like *silent*
throughout the performance (coughing tsunami at the end of every movement
not included) or even heard a concert on the radio without that silly bitch
(it's the same one every time) coughing *without restraint* at the midpoint
of the most important General Pause in the whole piece, every single
time...??

In article , Keith G
scribeth thus

"Arny Krueger" wrote


AK's own peculiar brand of Usenet claptrap snipped


What concert hall comes with built-in LP tics?


OK, another *Tip For Life* specially for Arny:

If all you hear are 'tics' when you play a record then you had better give
up and settle for the best you can get off a CD....

And then a question for all:

Has anyone ever been to concert hall that was anything like *silent*
throughout the performance (coughing tsunami at the end of every movement
not included)

Yeabut thats part of the live experience

And seeing that concert goer's are getting older its likely to get
worse;(..


or even heard a concert on the radio without that silly bitch
(it's the same one every time) coughing *without restraint* at the midpoint
of the most important General Pause in the whole piece, every single
time...??


Don't they have cough keys on modern desks?...


--
Tony Sayer

"tony sayer" wrote in message
...
In article , Keith G
scribeth thus

"Arny Krueger" wrote


AK's own peculiar brand of Usenet claptrap snipped


What concert hall comes with built-in LP tics?


OK, another *Tip For Life* specially for Arny:

If all you hear are 'tics' when you play a record then you had better give
up and settle for the best you can get off a CD....

And then a question for all:

Has anyone ever been to concert hall that was anything like *silent*
throughout the performance (coughing tsunami at the end of every movement
not included)

Yeabut thats part of the live experience

And seeing that concert goer's are getting older its likely to get
worse;(..


or even heard a concert on the radio without that silly bitch
(it's the same one every time) coughing *without restraint* at the
midpoint
of the most important General Pause in the whole piece, every single
time...??


Don't they have cough keys on modern desks?...



Don't know, but the key I used for the Lead In on this piece:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/LeadIn.mp3

had the label rubbed off it...

???

:-)

"Keith G" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote


AK's own peculiar brand of Usenet claptrap snipped


What concert hall comes with built-in LP tics?

OK, another *Tip For Life* specially for Arny:

If all you hear are 'tics'

Never said that, Keith.

Here's a tip for life Keith:

If you want to seem to be honest and sincere, try not putting words in other
people's mouth and then putting them down for saying them.

You're just making yourself look both dishonest and foolish.

I'll bet this trick works well in the pubs that you are often found in,
though.

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Keith G" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote


AK's own peculiar brand of Usenet claptrap snipped


What concert hall comes with built-in LP tics?

OK, another *Tip For Life* specially for Arny:

If all you hear are 'tics'

Never said that, Keith.

Here's a tip for life Keith:

If you want to seem to be honest and sincere, try not putting words in
other people's mouth and then putting them down for saying them.

You're just making yourself look both dishonest and foolish.

I'll bet this trick works well in the pubs that you are often found in,
though.


If you want to seem to be honest and sincere, try not printing blatant lies
about them - you're just making yourself look both dishonest and foolish.

I don't drink more than a couple of beers a *year* and I think it's been 10
years or more since I was in a pub for a meal - not that I expect the truth
or *accuracy* of any kind to be of any interest to you....

"Keith G" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Keith G" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote


AK's own peculiar brand of Usenet claptrap snipped


What concert hall comes with built-in LP tics?

OK, another *Tip For Life* specially for Arny:

If all you hear are 'tics'

Never said that, Keith.

Here's a tip for life Keith:

If you want to seem to be honest and sincere, try not
putting words in other people's mouth and then putting
them down for saying them. You're just making yourself look both
dishonest and
foolish. I'll bet this trick works well in the pubs that you are
often found in, though.

If you want to seem to be honest and sincere, try not
printing blatant lies about them - you're just making
yourself look both dishonest and foolish.

Lame IKWYABWAI noted.

I don't drink more than a couple of beers a *year* and I
think it's been 10 years or more since I was in a pub for
a meal - not that I expect the truth or *accuracy* of any
kind to be of any interest to you....

How lame does someone have to be to take something prefaced with "I'll
bet..." as a claimed statement of fact.

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Keith G" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Keith G" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote


AK's own peculiar brand of Usenet claptrap snipped


What concert hall comes with built-in LP tics?

OK, another *Tip For Life* specially for Arny:

If all you hear are 'tics'

Never said that, Keith.

Here's a tip for life Keith:

If you want to seem to be honest and sincere, try not
putting words in other people's mouth and then putting
them down for saying them. You're just making yourself look both
dishonest and
foolish. I'll bet this trick works well in the pubs that you are
often found in, though.

If you want to seem to be honest and sincere, try not
printing blatant lies about them - you're just making
yourself look both dishonest and foolish.

Lame IKWYABWAI noted.


Barking....



I don't drink more than a couple of beers a *year* and I
think it's been 10 years or more since I was in a pub for
a meal - not that I expect the truth or *accuracy* of any
kind to be of any interest to you....

How lame does someone have to be to take something prefaced with "I'll
bet..." as a claimed statement of fact.


You said 'lame' twice....

Arny Krueger wrote:


snip

By what means does adding randomly-selected noise and distortion to a
recording improve its ability to create an illusion of reality?


The thing is - and I know audio 'purists' don't hold with this - tone
controls have been a round for a long time and do just that. Think about
a loudness control - love or loathe, its job is to create that illusion
by (as you seem to enjoy putting it) distortion.

I think that's what you don't follow in this discussion - you're not
*creating* anything - it's laways going to be an approximate copy.

Rob

In article ,
Rob wrote:
By what means does adding randomly-selected noise and distortion to a
recording improve its ability to create an illusion of reality?


The thing is - and I know audio 'purists' don't hold with this - tone
controls have been a round for a long time and do just that. Think about
a loudness control - love or loathe, its job is to create that illusion
by (as you seem to enjoy putting it) distortion.

I doubt altering the frequency response is what is meant by adding 'random
noise and distortion'. Although filtering the HF was often used in an
attempt to reduce the 2nd harmonic from vinyl. Before of course some
people came to like that as being 'natural'.

I think that's what you don't follow in this discussion - you're not
*creating* anything - it's laways going to be an approximate copy.

You can get what amounts to an exact copy of an audio signal with good
digital. You can't with analogue. Especially vinyl.

--
*A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory *

Dave Plowman London SW
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