I live in Eaton Ford; the A1 is only a couple of minutes away and this
happens this morning:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/8031530.stm


I hope all you cyclists out there take heed - it was 8:30 on a major dual
carriageway on a *Sunday* morning! WTF could have happened - the traffic
was so dense at that time or the car driver was asleep or summat...???

Keith G wrote:
I live in Eaton Ford; the A1 is only a couple of minutes away and this
happens this morning:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/8031530.stm


I hope all you cyclists out there take heed - it was 8:30 on a major
dual carriageway on a *Sunday* morning! WTF could have happened - the
traffic was so dense at that time or the car driver was asleep or
summat...???



Not wanting to take anything from a sad death, but I have never
understood why cyclists are allowed to race on public roads, no other
form of road user can without breaking the law.

--
Nick

"Nick Gorham" wrote in message
...
Keith G wrote:
I live in Eaton Ford; the A1 is only a couple of minutes away and this
happens this morning:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/8031530.stm


I hope all you cyclists out there take heed - it was 8:30 on a major dual
carriageway on a *Sunday* morning! WTF could have happened - the traffic
was so dense at that time or the car driver was asleep or summat...???



Not wanting to take anything from a sad death, but I have never understood
why cyclists are allowed to race on public roads, no other form of road
user can without breaking the law.



I agree and other slow traffic like horses in narrow lanes are a nuisance
these days, but the roads don't belong only to reps and lorry drivers,
especially at 8:30 on a Bank Holiday Sunday morning! Death is a severe
penalty for someone else's incompetence (or worse) - that cyclist was
someone's son and may well have been a husband and father!

On Sun, 3 May 2009 22:18:02 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

Not wanting to take anything from a sad death, but I have never understood
why cyclists are allowed to race on public roads, no other form of road
user can without breaking the law.



I agree and other slow traffic like horses in narrow lanes are a nuisance
these days, but the roads don't belong only to reps and lorry drivers,
especially at 8:30 on a Bank Holiday Sunday morning! Death is a severe
penalty for someone else's incompetence (or worse) - that cyclist was
someone's son and may well have been a husband and father!

And *IF* he was riding with due care and attention, not feeling his
Time Trial somehow took precedence, he is entitled to our full
sympathy.

Otherwise it's his own silly fault. Cyclists, of all road users, need
to ride defensively.

"Laurence Payne" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 3 May 2009 22:18:02 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

Not wanting to take anything from a sad death, but I have never
understood
why cyclists are allowed to race on public roads, no other form of road
user can without breaking the law.



I agree and other slow traffic like horses in narrow lanes are a nuisance
these days, but the roads don't belong only to reps and lorry drivers,
especially at 8:30 on a Bank Holiday Sunday morning! Death is a severe
penalty for someone else's incompetence (or worse) - that cyclist was
someone's son and may well have been a husband and father!

And *IF* he was riding with due care and attention, not feeling his
Time Trial somehow took precedence, he is entitled to our full
sympathy.

Otherwise it's his own silly fault. Cyclists, of all road users, need
to ride defensively.


Defensively from what? From clowns who can't deal with a pushbike rider on a
major dual carriageway?

What next - little old ladies with shopping trolleys who can't get out of
the way quick enough?

On Mon, 4 May 2009 00:09:33 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

Otherwise it's his own silly fault. Cyclists, of all road users, need
to ride defensively.


Defensively from what? From clowns who can't deal with a pushbike rider on a
major dual carriageway?

What next - little old ladies with shopping trolleys who can't get out of
the way quick enough?

You're a bit of a prat really, aren't you?

Keith G wrote:

"Nick Gorham" wrote in message
...
Keith G wrote:
I live in Eaton Ford; the A1 is only a couple of minutes away and
this happens this morning:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/8031530.stm


I hope all you cyclists out there take heed - it was 8:30 on a major
dual carriageway on a *Sunday* morning! WTF could have happened -
the traffic was so dense at that time or the car driver was asleep or
summat...???



Not wanting to take anything from a sad death, but I have never
understood why cyclists are allowed to race on public roads, no other
form of road user can without breaking the law.



I agree and other slow traffic like horses in narrow lanes are a
nuisance these days, but the roads don't belong only to reps and lorry
drivers, especially at 8:30 on a Bank Holiday Sunday morning! Death is a
severe penalty for someone else's incompetence (or worse) - that cyclist
was someone's son and may well have been a husband and father!

Yes, and as I said its tragic (well its not, but its sad at least) but
the son or father chose to race on open public roads, if I did this on a
motorcycle (as I did on that road in my younger days) it would have been
put down to another stupid biker going too fast and loosing control. And
if the police had seen me doing it, I would have been pulled over.
Whereas there are flocks of people head down, going as fast as they can,
expecting other folk to keep out of their way.

There is a difference, horse riders (and other folk with animals) if
properly controlled can expect other users of the road to treat them
with care. As can cyclists if they are riding with awareness of their
surroundings and vulnerability. Its not about nuisance its about taking
responsibility.

--
Nick

"Nick Gorham" wrote


Yes, and as I said its tragic (well its not, but its sad at least) but the
son or father chose to race on open public roads, if I did this on a
motorcycle (as I did on that road in my younger days) it would have been
put down to another stupid biker going too fast and loosing control. And
if the police had seen me doing it, I would have been pulled over. Whereas
there are flocks of people head down, going as fast as they can, expecting
other folk to keep out of their way.


There are no 'flocks' of people - these 'time trials' are single riders
spaced out by considerable distances, usually....



There is a difference, horse riders (and other folk with animals) if
properly controlled can expect other users of the road to treat them with
care. As can cyclists if they are riding with awareness of their
surroundings and vulnerability. Its not about nuisance its about taking
responsibility.


....and if some clown in a car (?) can't get past a single bike without
killing the rider it's a very poor show - the responsibilty is with the car
driver, IMO.

Keith G wrote:

"Nick Gorham" wrote


Yes, and as I said its tragic (well its not, but its sad at least) but
the son or father chose to race on open public roads, if I did this on
a motorcycle (as I did on that road in my younger days) it would have
been put down to another stupid biker going too fast and loosing
control. And if the police had seen me doing it, I would have been
pulled over. Whereas there are flocks of people head down, going as
fast as they can, expecting other folk to keep out of their way.


There are no 'flocks' of people - these 'time trials' are single riders
spaced out by considerable distances, usually....

But the fact remains that if any other road users main focus was going
as fast as possible, then they would be judged to be at fault.




There is a difference, horse riders (and other folk with animals) if
properly controlled can expect other users of the road to treat them
with care. As can cyclists if they are riding with awareness of their
surroundings and vulnerability. Its not about nuisance its about
taking responsibility.


...and if some clown in a car (?) can't get past a single bike without
killing the rider it's a very poor show - the responsibilty is with the
car driver, IMO.

Well, as I (and I suspect you) don't know the details of this incident I
can't say. But I know that if when I was riding motorbikes I expected
other road users to look out for my safety, I would not be here now. I
drive a car at the moment, and nothing has changed. Still my
responsibility to look out for my own safety when using a shared road.

Just for a moment consider the "clown" in the car, for all you know
Keith he did nothing wrong, the bike could have fallen in front of him,
so now he (or she) has the moment of killing someone on their hands.
More than one potential victim in this.

--
nick

In article , Nick Gorham
scribeth thus
Keith G wrote:

"Nick Gorham" wrote in message
...
Keith G wrote:
I live in Eaton Ford; the A1 is only a couple of minutes away and
this happens this morning:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/8031530.stm


I hope all you cyclists out there take heed - it was 8:30 on a major
dual carriageway on a *Sunday* morning! WTF could have happened -
the traffic was so dense at that time or the car driver was asleep or
summat...???



Not wanting to take anything from a sad death, but I have never
understood why cyclists are allowed to race on public roads, no other
form of road user can without breaking the law.



I agree and other slow traffic like horses in narrow lanes are a
nuisance these days, but the roads don't belong only to reps and lorry
drivers, especially at 8:30 on a Bank Holiday Sunday morning! Death is a
severe penalty for someone else's incompetence (or worse) - that cyclist
was someone's son and may well have been a husband and father!

Yes, and as I said its tragic (well its not, but its sad at least) but
the son or father chose to race on open public roads, if I did this on a
motorcycle (as I did on that road in my younger days) it would have been
put down to another stupid biker going too fast and loosing control. And
if the police had seen me doing it, I would have been pulled over.
Whereas there are flocks of people head down, going as fast as they can,
expecting other folk to keep out of their way.

There is a difference, horse riders (and other folk with animals) if
properly controlled can expect other users of the road to treat them
with care. As can cyclists if they are riding with awareness of their
surroundings and vulnerability. Its not about nuisance its about taking
responsibility.


There are a load of young L plate scooter riders in Cambridge who are a
danger to themselves and everyone else on the roads the way they behave.

Soon, I'm sure one or more of them will come a cropper and that'll be
that.

Once upon a time we used to have Police patrols?.

Anyone seen any recently in Cambridgeshire?...
--
Tony Sayer