"Blacknikon" wrote in message
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Okay! But what about my question?


I think the answer to that is that none of actually have sufficient
knowledge of those particular models to give a meaningful opinion on their
relative merits.

David.

On Sat, 16 May 2009 13:38:39 +0100, "David Looser"
wrote:

"Blacknikon" wrote in message
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Okay! But what about my question?


I think the answer to that is that none of actually have sufficient
knowledge of those particular models to give a meaningful opinion on their
relative merits.

David.


I think I would add that relative merits these days tend to lie in
aesthetics and features, rather than performance. Those things are
entirely a matter of personal preference, so asking for opinions on
which to buy is kind of a non-starter.

d

"Keith G" wrote in message
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"Don Pearce" wrote
Have you noticed that in a great many recent films, dialogue is pretty
much buried in the effects noises anyway?


Nope.


Very hard to understand
sometimes.


That's because it's Harrison Ford....


Or Mark Wahlberg and Danny Glover in 'Shooter'!

Watched it last night and couldn't hear half of what either of them said -
whether there were other sounds at the same time or not.

OK, don't want/need them projecting their voices like Panto Queens, but
Wahlberg was confusing incoherent mumbling with 'serious acting' and Danny
Glover was quite obviously breaking in a set of false teeth for a friend....

(Unless my recent amp upgrade is a *backwards* step and the s/h Tannoy
centre is no good....??

On Sun, 17 May 2009 12:55:16 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

(Unless my recent amp upgrade is a *backwards* step and the s/h Tannoy
centre is no good....??

Intelligibility issues are rarely due to specific equipment (unless it
is truly dreadful) but to problems in room acoustics, speaker
placement and general levels/setup.

Kal

In article ,
Kalman Rubinson wrote:
(Unless my recent amp upgrade is a *backwards* step and the s/h Tannoy
centre is no good....??

Intelligibility issues are rarely due to specific equipment (unless it
is truly dreadful) but to problems in room acoustics, speaker
placement and general levels/setup.

Most 'home cinema' setups I've heard have had the FX channels too loud.
Given Kitty's hate of anything vaguely to do with measuring things I'd
guess that's the case there too. Easier to just blame the film.

--
*I yell because I care

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Kalman Rubinson" wrote in message
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On Sun, 17 May 2009 12:55:16 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

(Unless my recent amp upgrade is a *backwards* step and the s/h Tannoy
centre is no good....??

Intelligibility issues are rarely due to specific equipment (unless it
is truly dreadful) but to problems in room acoustics, speaker
placement and general levels/setup.

Kal


The movie/HT setup has been in use for a number of years and I'd say it's
probably *unexceptional*, but it's always been plenty good enough for movies
and are we are quite used to it. (It never gets used for music.)

As regards 'Shooter' - I'd immediately blame the recording if it weren't for
the fact that I have just now made a comparison and it is appreciably
clearer on my 'Plex 2' which is two channel audio only using a (brand new)
Denon hifi amp into a pair of very modest B&W standmounters.

I have checked the new Sony AV amp and the whole HT setup is perfectly fine
with audio CDs with no trace of anything untoward; I have also checked the
new (s/h) centre speaker and it's fine also. Actually, better than 'fine' -
I'd happily use two of them for a 2 channel system!

(In both cases the disk player is the same model/identical Samsung BDP.)

Stumped. All the kit appears to work perfectly fine!

Confused. The movie dialogue sounds better/clearer on the lesser (2 channel)
audio system!

??

"Keith G" wrote

Stumped. All the kit appears to work perfectly fine!

Confused. The movie dialogue sounds better/clearer on the lesser (2
channel) audio system!


Add:

Bewildered. The sound is not *perceptably* affected by whether the screen is
up or down (ie in front of the main speakers).

In article ,
Keith G wrote:
The movie/HT setup has been in use for a number of years and I'd say
it's probably *unexceptional*, but it's always been plenty good enough
for movies and are we are quite used to it. (It never gets used for
music.)

You must search hard to find a film without music.

Typical comment from one who think sound systems have to be chosen for
specific purposes.

--
*Prepositions are not words to end sentences with *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Keith G wrote:

"Keith G" wrote

Stumped. All the kit appears to work perfectly fine!

Confused. The movie dialogue sounds better/clearer on the lesser (2
channel) audio system!


Add:

Bewildered. The sound is not *perceptably* affected by whether the
screen is up or down (ie in front of the main speakers).

FWIW I find stereo speakers just fine. And it gets worse - the TV is to
one side of the speakers. Once I've got over the notion that this
shouldn't work (2, maybe 3 seconds) never fails to impress.

I did try a cheapish (£400-odd) Pioneer 5.1 system but couldn't believe
how bad it was. And I've messed about with rear speakers - while I
couldn't be bothered in the end, Das Boot, with various submerged type
noises, sounded good :-)

Rob

"Rob" wrote in message
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Keith G wrote:

"Keith G" wrote

Stumped. All the kit appears to work perfectly fine!

Confused. The movie dialogue sounds better/clearer on the lesser (2
channel) audio system!


Add:

Bewildered. The sound is not *perceptably* affected by whether the screen
is up or down (ie in front of the main speakers).

FWIW I find stereo speakers just fine. And it gets worse - the TV is to
one side of the speakers. Once I've got over the notion that this
shouldn't work (2, maybe 3 seconds) never fails to impress.


:-)

I'm with you - a good stereo pair and no wires/speakers all over the place
would do me just fine, but this 1080p Bluray palaver has caused me to try an
*push it* a bit!



I did try a cheapish (£400-odd) Pioneer 5.1 system but couldn't believe
how bad it was.


If you are talking a Cinema or 'HT' speaker kit, then I can believe how bad
they probably were - no matter what the sound source, there's no substitute
for decent speakers and HT is no exception!


And I've messed about with rear speakers - while I
couldn't be bothered in the end, Das Boot, with various submerged type
noises, sounded good :-)


Well, in my wisdom I concluded that the new AV amp was a retrograde move and
said as much - until I was reminded how often we had had to run movies back
to re-watch bits with the subbies on and how that had been getting more
frequent, lately!

It is only dialogue that's playing me up - the crash, bang, wallop is fine
on all the various kit. (How could it not be?)