"Iain Churches" wrote in message
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Why would skilled rprofessionals like Arthur Lilley
and Aerthur Wilkinson need to "own" anything
when the company can supply their every need,
even mics they coduld no longer be bought for
love or money:-) What they *do* supply is
their skill,. experience ad expertise.


Apologies for typos (cat sitting between
keyboard and monitor!!)

I meant to write:

even mics that chould no longer be bought......

"Iain Churches" wrote in message
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"Iain Churches" wrote in message
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Why would skilled rprofessionals like Arthur Lilley
and Aerthur Wilkinson need to "own" anything
when the company can supply their every need,
even mics they coduld no longer be bought for
love or money:-) What they *do* supply is
their skill,. experience ad expertise.


Apologies for typos (cat sitting between
keyboard and monitor!!)

I meant to write:

even mics that chould no longer be bought......
or even "mics that could no longer be bought"...

In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
Why would skilled rprofessionals like Arthur Lilley
and Aerthur Wilkinson need to "own" anything
when the company can supply their every need,
even mics they coduld no longer be bought for
love or money:-) What they *do* supply is
their skill,. experience ad expertise.


Apologies for typos (cat sitting between
keyboard and monitor!!)

I meant to write:

even mics that chould no longer be bought......

Third G&T of the day, Iain? ;-)

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"Keith G" wrote in message
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I make no claims about 'technical ability'* but if I were you and had
'Domine Pt2' floating about the ether I'd keep very quiet about it,
especially after so much bragging about all the 'pro recording' I'd done,
over the last few decades.

Here, you don't need to hear it (you really don't - it sounds like it was
recorded over the phone) - a quick *look* at it will tell you all you need
to know:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/Recording%20Image1.jpg

(Just *seeing* that has you reaching for the Balance knob, don't it? :-)



Keith. Have you listened to the track in question?
It *must* be a hoax!!!

Even dear old Arny couldn't make a pig's ear
of such a simple job (particular when he has
done it 1 000 times befo-)

Iain

In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
My point is that the ownership of a shoebox full of
toyshop mics and a budget recording desk wheeled
around on a wobbly handcart and used for volunteer
work at the local church does not make one a
professional recording engineer:-)

'Professional' usually just means getting paid to work.

In professional recording, for tax reasons, equipment
is owned by companies and not by individuals,
even though of course those individuals are often
shareholders or partners in that company.

That might apply to recording studios - but in other areas the recordist
will supply the equipment. Indeed the hire charge often makes up a
considerable part of the fee. This is the norm in feature films, etc.
And since the division between audio equipment and musical instruments has
blurred somewhat a deal of that used may well not be owned by the studio
anymore.

Why would skilled rprofessionals like Arthur Lilley
and Aerthur Wilkinson need to "own" anything
when the company can supply their every need,
even mics they coduld no longer be bought for
love or money:-) What they *do* supply is
their skill,. experience ad expertise.

Does a chef own all the pots and pans, dishes and
cutlery in the restaurant in which he works?

Usually has his own knives.

Use of the term professional makes two assumptions.

1. That the individual has the formal training and
qualifications recognised in that profession.

Most true professions are closed shops. Think lawyers, etc. I very much
doubt the man on the Clapham bendy bus would consider a recording engineer
to be a profession. Quite the reverse.

2. That the individual relies upon this for employment
which brings him/her the majority of his/her income.

Like perhaps a plumber?


We don't need to seperate the pepper from the fly
excrement here in deciding if an actor also working
as a waiter is a waiter or an actor:-)

Most of the famous in this field have had all sorts of jobs while resting.

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"Don Pearce" wrote in message
news:4a3b9174.967692140@localhost...

I have never
met anyone with even the most casual interest in sound or recording
who didn't own at least one.

The kind of casbles I am talking about are 50/100m XLR/XLR or
multiway 50/100s on drums. Just the thing for a penthouse in
Swiss Cottage or a posh town house in Brighton:-)

Iain

On Thu, 28 May 2009 18:31:21 +0300, "Iain Churches"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
news:4a3b9174.967692140@localhost...

I have never
met anyone with even the most casual interest in sound or recording
who didn't own at least one.

The kind of casbles I am talking about are 50/100m XLR/XLR or
multiway 50/100s on drums. Just the thing for a penthouse in
Swiss Cottage or a posh town house in Brighton:-)

Iain


Well, my Hampstead penthouse (ok, normal house - much better than a
penthouse, I think ;-) has quite a few 100m XLR/XLR cables. They live
in a cupboard under the stairs most of the time.

d

In article 4a3daeea.975230593@localhost,
Don Pearce wrote:
Well, my Hampstead penthouse (ok, normal house - much better than a
penthouse, I think ;-) has quite a few 100m XLR/XLR cables. They live
in a cupboard under the stairs most of the time.

We use riggers for that sort of lengths. ;-)

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On Thu, 28 May 2009 17:10:44 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article 4a3daeea.975230593@localhost,
Don Pearce wrote:
Well, my Hampstead penthouse (ok, normal house - much better than a
penthouse, I think ;-) has quite a few 100m XLR/XLR cables. They live
in a cupboard under the stairs most of the time.

We use riggers for that sort of lengths. ;-)

I'm far too clever for that! I keep them rolled up. :-) Actually they
live on drums with the inner first few feet hanging out through a hole
in the side. That way I only have to unroll as much as the job needs -
the rest can stay on the drum under the desk. Much the tidiest way.

Obviously in the TV studio you just grab the right length off the
rack.

d

In article 4a3ebad7.978279218@localhost,
Don Pearce wrote:
On Thu, 28 May 2009 17:10:44 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article 4a3daeea.975230593@localhost,
Don Pearce wrote:
Well, my Hampstead penthouse (ok, normal house - much better than a
penthouse, I think ;-) has quite a few 100m XLR/XLR cables. They live
in a cupboard under the stairs most of the time.

We use riggers for that sort of lengths. ;-)

I'm far too clever for that! I keep them rolled up. :-) Actually they
live on drums with the inner first few feet hanging out through a hole
in the side. That way I only have to unroll as much as the job needs -
the rest can stay on the drum under the desk. Much the tidiest way.

Obviously in the TV studio you just grab the right length off the
rack.

Yes - and in general quite short. They only need to reach from the nearest
wallbox. And with a big rig we'd usually run in a snake or three - so use
even shorter singles. 100 metre ones would get into a dreadful tangle. ;-)

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