"Keith G" wrote


So it's more a case of 'It's crap. I know it's crap; I can do better but
it's a skanky gig, the clowns are nobodies and they like it as it is, so
why should I bother? Is that better??


The penny's just dropped - Arny's confusing the *singing quality* with the
*recording quality* isn't he?

(Or perhaps he sets the mics up and they just shuffle over to the left as
the singing starts? :-)))

In article , Iain Churches
wrote:

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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If I delivered a CD of their HS choir singing in their HS auditorium,
that sounded like the Mormon Tabernacle Choir singing in the Mormon
Tabernacle, they'd know that something was *very* wrong. Just because
you kitty, John, Iain and the Aussie trolls, are so stupid as to
expect a HS choir singing in a HS auditorium, to sound like the Mormon
Tabernacle Choir singing in the Mormon Tabernacle, doesn't mean that
people who are self-aware have to behave as ridiculously as you do.


No one expects your Baptist choir to sound like the Mormon Tabernacle
Choir, the choir of King's College Cambridge or the Russian Orthodox
Choir of Kiev-Pechersk Lavra, but they *do* expect a recording made by a
a man who claims to be a professional, to sound like - a professional
recording.

Iain, I may well be misunderstanding this as I have no real knowlege of
recording at this level. Nor have I heard the specific recordings in
question.

However IIUC you also seem in the past to have made much the point as I
took Arny to be making. This is that a 'professional' makes a recording to
suit the clients and optimise on that basis. He may advise otherwise, but
if that is what they prefer, then that is what the professional's paid job
is to deliver.

Have I misunderstood?

Slainte,

Jim

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"Iain Churches" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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If I delivered a CD of their HS choir singing in their
HS auditorium, that sounded like the Mormon Tabernacle
Choir singing in the Mormon Tabernacle, they'd know that
something was *very* wrong. Just because you kitty,
John, Iain and the Aussie trolls, are so stupid as to
expect a HS choir singing in a HS auditorium, to sound
like the Mormon Tabernacle Choir singing in the Mormon
Tabernacle, doesn't mean that people who are self-aware
have to behave as ridiculously as you do.

No one expects your Baptist choir to sound like
the Mormon Tabernacle Choir, the choir of King's
College Cambridge or the Russian Orthodox
Choir of Kiev-Pechersk Lavra, but they *do*
expect a recording made by a a man who claims
to be a professional, to sound like -
a professional recording.

If only you don't even wannabes could understand what walking that walk even
meant...

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Iain Churches" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...


If I delivered a CD of their HS choir singing in their
HS auditorium, that sounded like the Mormon Tabernacle
Choir singing in the Mormon Tabernacle, they'd know that
something was *very* wrong. Just because you kitty,
John, Iain and the Aussie trolls, are so stupid as to
expect a HS choir singing in a HS auditorium, to sound
like the Mormon Tabernacle Choir singing in the Mormon
Tabernacle, doesn't mean that people who are self-aware
have to behave as ridiculously as you do.

No one expects your Baptist choir to sound like
the Mormon Tabernacle Choir, the choir of King's
College Cambridge or the Russian Orthodox
Choir of Kiev-Pechersk Lavra, but they *do*
expect a recording made by a a man who claims
to be a professional, to sound like -
a professional recording.

If only you don't even wannabes could understand what walking that walk
even meant...


A 'don't even wannabee'? :-))

If that includes me and means I don't want to be (anything) like you -
*yes*, you can put my name down *instanter*!!

(Be a 'Wankee Yankee' like 'Barmy Arny'? ....*shudder*...)

LOL!

"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...
In article , Iain Churches
wrote:

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...


If I delivered a CD of their HS choir singing in their HS auditorium,
that sounded like the Mormon Tabernacle Choir singing in the Mormon
Tabernacle, they'd know that something was *very* wrong. Just because
you kitty, John, Iain and the Aussie trolls, are so stupid as to
expect a HS choir singing in a HS auditorium, to sound like the Mormon
Tabernacle Choir singing in the Mormon Tabernacle, doesn't mean that
people who are self-aware have to behave as ridiculously as you do.


No one expects your Baptist choir to sound like the Mormon Tabernacle
Choir, the choir of King's College Cambridge or the Russian Orthodox
Choir of Kiev-Pechersk Lavra, but they *do* expect a recording made by a
a man who claims to be a professional, to sound like - a professional
recording.

Iain, I may well be misunderstanding this as I have no real knowlege of
recording at this level. Nor have I heard the specific recordings in
question.

However IIUC you also seem in the past to have made much the point as I
took Arny to be making. This is that a 'professional' makes a recording to
suit the clients and optimise on that basis. He may advise otherwise, but
if that is what they prefer, then that is what the professional's paid job
is to deliver.

Have I misunderstood?


No. But perhaps you have been misled:-))

While it is true that that the recording team endevours
to make a recording to suit the needs and wishes of
the client, by choosing the recording technique most
appropriate for the project in question, high quality is
taken to be a non-variable The term "technically
poor" is never part of the brief..

Please listen to the track in question.

http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/...#entry 636388


Iain

"Iain Churches" wrote in message
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...

If I delivered a CD of their HS choir singing in their HS auditorium,
that
sounded like the Mormon Tabernacle Choir singing in the Mormon
Tabernacle,
they'd know that something was *very* wrong. Just because you kitty,
John,
Iain and the Aussie trolls, are so stupid as to expect a HS choir singing
in a HS auditorium, to sound like the Mormon Tabernacle Choir singing in
the Mormon Tabernacle, doesn't mean that people who are self-aware have
to
behave as ridiculously as you do.

No one expects your Baptist choir to sound like
the Mormon Tabernacle Choir, the choir of King's
College Cambridge or the Russian Orthodox
Choir of Kiev-Pechersk Lavra, but they *do*
expect a recording made by a a man who claims
to be a professional, to sound like - a professional recording.

You seem to be very confused Iain, as is usual. The recording in question is
not of a Baptist choir. If you would bother to read the post you are
responding to, you would notice that.

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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Keith wrote:
I make no claims about 'technical ability'* but if I were
you and had 'Domine Pt2' floating about the ether I'd
keep very quiet about it, especially after so much
bragging about all the 'pro recording' I'd done, over the
last few decades.

Trust me, those recordings were well-received by the people who paid for
them.


Paid for them? Yikes! They were robbed!
Disregarding the musical performance, the technical
standard leaves a great deal to be desired, on any level.

Any first year student could surely do better.

If you had been content with the fact that you were
a volunteer recordist at your local church, then I am
sure the material at your link would have been met
with enthusiasm.

But, you claim to be a professional, which takes us
up to a whole new level of expectation. A
professional is hired to produce a professional
result. Tell me honestly, Arny, hand on your
heart, do you think you have done this?

They were looking for a certain sound and they've got it. Like it or not,
they were a reasonably accurate representation of the live performance.

But it sounds nothing like a live performance!
No soundstage, no depth. Thin, brittle and distorted.
Surely no-one was consciously "looking for" that?

A SATB choir recording is one of the simplest projects
one can be asked to do.

Do I know how to make a more commercial sound? Of course!

It would interesting to hear you substantiate that claim..
Please post a link:-)


Iain

"Iain Churches" wrote in message
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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Keith wrote:
I make no claims about 'technical ability'* but if I were
you and had 'Domine Pt2' floating about the ether I'd
keep very quiet about it, especially after so much
bragging about all the 'pro recording' I'd done, over the
last few decades.

Trust me, those recordings were well-received by the people who paid for
them.


Paid for them? Yikes! They were robbed!
Disregarding the musical performance, the technical
standard leaves a great deal to be desired, on any level.

Any first year student could surely do better.

If you had been content with the fact that you were
a volunteer recordist at your local church, then I am
sure the material at your link would have been met
with enthusiasm.

But, you claim to be a professional, which takes us
up to a whole new level of expectation. A
professional is hired to produce a professional
result. Tell me honestly, Arny, hand on your
heart, do you think you have done this?

They were looking for a certain sound and they've got it. Like it or not,
they were a reasonably accurate representation of the live performance.

But it sounds nothing like a live performance!
No soundstage, no depth. Thin, brittle and distorted.
Surely no-one was consciously "looking for" that?

A SATB choir recording is one of the simplest projects
one can be asked to do.

Do I know how to make a more commercial sound? Of course!

It would interesting to hear you substantiate that claim..
Please post a link:-)


What would be the point - who could anything like trust it after the recent
'recorded horns' fiasco...??

"Iain Churches" wrote in message
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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Keith wrote:

I make no claims about 'technical ability'* but if I were
you and had 'Domine Pt2' floating about the ether I'd
keep very quiet about it, especially after so much
bragging about all the 'pro recording' I'd done, over the
last few decades.

Trust me, those recordings were well-received by the people who paid for
them.

Paid for them? Yikes! They were robbed!

Well Iain, you certainly have the right to your opinions, and the right to
express them early and often.

However Iain there is so much evidence that you know nothing about the field
that you are commenting on.

For openers Ian, you have never actually made a recording of anything all
by yourself. By your own accounts, it took a room full of supervisors,
minders and helpers to produce any product that has your name on it, and
there is now vanishing amounts of product that has your name on it.

Therefore, your continued posturing would embarass any reasonable person,
just out of consideration for your public image.

However Iain, there is considerable evidence including the above, that you
are not a reasonable person.

You have made any number of false assertions in your attacks on me,
including false claims about the inabilities of well-known but uninvolved
persons.

Obviously, you are obsessed with me.

Sorry about that!

Have a nice day. ;-)