Dear Jim...
 

On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:08:13 +1000, "Phil Allison"
wrote:


"Jim Lesurf"


** Dear Jim,

you are one of the most totally ****ed in the head, retarded autistic
pukes alive in the UK

- and that is saying something - cos the whole stinking **** hole is just
crawling with them.

People like YOU constitute a serious public menace, for the sole reason
that you are so damn ****ing STUPID.

Not a damn thing you can do about THAT - of course.

But beware, there is plenty OTHERS can do about YOU !!!

The terminally stupid in society cause FAR FAR more trouble than all the
nutters and psychos put together.

Please please please, for the benfit of humanity

get very ill - very soon and ****ing die.




..... Phil



I love the "Dear Jim" at the start. If only he had finished with "lots
of love, Phil".

But I wonder about the antepenultimate paragraph. Is he at last
admitting that he is a nutter and a psycho?

d

Dear Jim...
 

"Don Pearce"


** This vile, ASD ****ed **** makes Jim look like a saint.


Look up " ASD "

Look up the real meaning of "****".

****ed = ruined or made worthless.

Don't just react to my carefully chosen words emotionally.





..... Phil

Dear Jim...
 

On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:19:26 +1000, "Phil Allison"
wrote:


"Don Pearce"


** This vile, ASD ****ed **** makes Jim look like a saint.


Look up " ASD "

Look up the real meaning of "****".

****ed = ruined or made worthless.

Don't just react to my carefully chosen words emotionally.





.... Phil


Poor Phil appears to have a deep-seated fear and loathing of both
female genitalia and sex itself. I wonder what caused that.

d

Russ Andrews and Ben Duncan :-)
 

"David Looser" wrote in message
...
"Keith G" wrote in message
...


The single strand is nothing to do with fuses (what's the whole wire
then - a *higher rated fuse*?) - it was merely to illustrate the point
that I believe 'conventional wisdom' actually promotes and encourages
'snake oil' (referenced in the OP) by doing something rather
unconventional....


I wondered what on earth you thought your "single strand of wire"
demonstrated; and your "explanation" above does little to clarify the
point. Quite *how* you think that " 'conventional wisdom' actually
promotes and encourages 'snake oil" is a mystery that is unlikely ever to
be solved.


OK, it goes like this, but first I had to substitute a speaker cable for a
mains lead as I couldn't easily experiment with mains leads (same
principles):

Current 'conventional wisdom' says a speaker (or any other) cable should be
able to carry the required current (and be long enough) and it generally
accepted that summat like a 79 strand copper wire of a certain gauge is
quite good enough. At any rate, most speaker cables that are available today
online and in the shops are around this mark; Snake Oil Merchants build on
this by adding in exotic and expensive materials and inevitably increasing
cable cross-sectional sizes.

I reduced an ordinary 'conventional' speaker cable to a single strand to see
what happened.

Nothing happened - as I suspected, it makes no difference to the sound that
I can detect, other than mess the image about - which I suspect could be
easily sorted by reducing the other speaker wire to a single strand also. It
is still working fine and sound levels have been pushed up to
'uncomfortable' a number of times.

The point is/was/would have been that, although a single strand of wire
isn't practicable (unless strong enough to survive), it makes a
'conventional' wire so *overkill* that an even more OTT 'snake oil cable'
wouldn't be considered for a moment by enough people to make the exercise
worthwhile or to grow the size RA seems. Or, to put it another way, snake
oil merchants get to sell more today because 'normal' speaker cables are so
much bigger than they used to be - even when using the 'powerhouse' amps of
the 70s!

IOW, it's 'conventional wisdom' that is actually driving the snake oil
merchants!

OK?

(****-all to do with *fuses* or any other irrelevant interpretation of what
I was doing....)

Russ Andrews and Ben Duncan :-)
 

"Keith G" wrote in message
...


Wiser people than me ignore him and some people here *avoid him* because,
when it comes down to it on a 'technical front', he could eat them for
breakfast. (They know who they are. ;-)


I'll forgive you for thinking that since your own technical knowledge is
non-existant. Whilst he certainly knows his stuff, he is far from being the
great all-round expert he portrays himself as. The only person here who he
could "eat for breakfast" on the technical front is yourself.

David.

Russ Andrews and Ben Duncan :-)
 

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
David Looser wrote:
"Keith G" wrote in message
...


The single strand is nothing to do with fuses (what's the whole wire
then - a *higher rated fuse*?) - it was merely to illustrate the point
that I believe 'conventional wisdom' actually promotes and encourages
'snake oil' (referenced in the OP) by doing something rather
unconventional....


I wondered what on earth you thought your "single strand of wire"
demonstrated; and your "explanation" above does little to clarify the
point. Quite *how* you think that " 'conventional wisdom' actually
promotes and encourages 'snake oil" is a mystery that is unlikely ever
to be solved.

Kitty is forever trying to re-invent the wheel. Dunno why he thought
adding a very small series resistance to a speaker circuit would make
things sound different. But judging by the jump leads melting story, he
needs to re-invent Ohms law too...


Oh dear, **** reaches into his 'smartarse things to say on handy wipe-clean
cards box' and is waving 'Ohms Law' about!

If he had any *real outdoor knowledge* of the situation I described (and
have witnessed on a number of occasions) he would know that jump leads for
commercial vehilcles are long, heavy (very) and expensive (very) - nobody I
ever knew had more than the one set to choose from.

Twerpy Know Nothing For Real probably thinks the current kills the leads?

Wrong! It's when the guy on the starter button can't see/hear the guy
watching the leads - I'll leave it to you people to fill in the blank
parameter....





David.

--
*All generalizations are false.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Russ Andrews and Ben Duncan :-)
 

"David Looser" wrote in message
...
"Keith G" wrote in message
...


Wiser people than me ignore him and some people here *avoid him* because,
when it comes down to it on a 'technical front', he could eat them for
breakfast. (They know who they are. ;-)


I'll forgive you for thinking that since your own technical knowledge is
non-existant. Whilst he certainly knows his stuff, he is far from being
the great all-round expert he portrays himself as. The only person here
who he could "eat for breakfast" on the technical front is yourself.



No, I don't think so - read again: 'They know who they are'....

Btw, don't worry too much about my 'technical knowledge' (in any field) - I
make it sufficient for needs whatever/whenever the occasion and have never
yet failed to achieve what I set out to do....

(Includes dipping into the 'electronics bin' as and when I wanted, a while
back - no big deal.... ;-)

Russ Andrews and Ben Duncan :-)
 

"Keith G" wrote in message
...



OK, it goes like this, but first I had to substitute a speaker cable for a
mains lead as I couldn't easily experiment with mains leads (same
principles):

Current 'conventional wisdom' says a speaker (or any other) cable should
be able to carry the required current (and be long enough) and it
generally accepted that summat like a 79 strand copper wire of a certain
gauge is quite good enough.

"Conventional Wisdom" says that a speaker cable needs to be of largish
cross-sectional area in order to bring the resistance down to an acceptable
value. This is what determines the CSA that "Conventional Wisdom"
recommends, not the current-carrying capacity of the cable. This is based
on engineering.

Snake Oil Merchants build on this by adding in exotic and expensive
materials and inevitably increasing cable cross-sectional sizes.

I reduced an ordinary 'conventional' speaker cable to a single strand to
see what happened.

No you didn't, you simply just used one strand of your multi-stranded cable
to connect to the terminal. For most of the length of the cable you were
still using a cable with a large CSA.

Nothing happened - as I suspected, it makes no difference to the sound
that I can detect, other than mess the image about - which I suspect could
be easily sorted by reducing the other speaker wire to a single strand
also. It is still working fine and sound levels have been pushed up to
'uncomfortable' a number of times.

Now try it with a single 0.2mm strand the whole way from the amp to the
speaker, see if it still makes "no difference to the sound". That test might
mean something, yours doesn't.

The point is/was/would have been that, although a single strand of wire
isn't practicable (unless strong enough to survive), it makes a
'conventional' wire so *overkill* that an even more OTT 'snake oil cable'
wouldn't be considered for a moment by enough people to make the exercise
worthwhile or to grow the size RA seems. Or, to put it another way, snake
oil merchants get to sell more today because 'normal' speaker cables are
so much bigger than they used to be - even when using the 'powerhouse'
amps of the 70s!

IOW, it's 'conventional wisdom' that is actually driving the snake oil
merchants!

You simply misunderstand what 'conventional wisdom' is saying, and why.

OK?

(****-all to do with *fuses* or any other irrelevant interpretation of
what I was doing....)

Sorry, what you were doing was so pointless and meaningless that *any*
intepretation is as relevant as any other.

David.

Russ Andrews and Ben Duncan :-)
 

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Keith G wrote:
It really depends on the speakers. amps and level you use. I was
merely trying to explain to Kitty that a short length of single strand
wire might well not make any audible difference under some
circumstances. But might well under others.



Ooh dear - after getting his knickers all twisted up about 'fuses' and
trying to bull**** his way out of a tight spot, Poochie's trying to
change tack fast and is reduced to bare-faced lies now...???

Jesus you're thick. A short length of thin wire in a run of thicker is
*exactly* what a fuse is. And makes no difference to the performance of
that circuit until certain parameters are exceeded.


Somebodey tell Poochie that a long, thin (but not too thin) wire would make
a passable clothes line for at least temporary use and a long enough (but
much thicker) wire might make a fairly handy tow rope, at a pinch.....

He ****ed up; he got it wrong; how much more wriggling and writhing do we
have to witness...??



--
*If I worked as much as others, I would do as little as they *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Russ Andrews and Ben Duncan :-)
 

On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 12:58:46 +0100, "David Looser"
wrote:

"Conventional Wisdom" says that a speaker cable needs to be of largish
cross-sectional area in order to bring the resistance down to an acceptable
value. This is what determines the CSA that "Conventional Wisdom"
recommends, not the current-carrying capacity of the cable. This is based
on engineering.

Can you remind us the difference between "low resistance" and
"current-carrying capability" please?