"Eiron" wrote in message
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Phil Allison wrote:
"Eiron"
What's the length
'Bout an inch....

and thickness of your single strand of wire?

Real tiny - less than a mm?

Must read the thread more closely. Didn't see the photo.
You've added at least 10 milliohms to one speaker cable.

** Not even that much.

Say the strand is 0.5mm dia and 25 mm long copper.

Works out at only 2.2 milliohms.

Take over 20 amps to make it glow and melt.

The photo looks like an inch of 0.2mm diameter wire from a 79 strand
2.5mm^2 cable.
I think it would blow at less than 20 amps but the voice coil would
probably blow first.


The actual *facts* of the matter are that, no matter what the *figures* may
or may not be, the single strand is still working perfectly well and will
obviously sustain enough current to provide a 'heap plenty loud' (too loud)
sound as I said earlier - not as Pucci prated:

"By the pic such as it would melt very quickly with a decent amp into decent
speakers at a reasonable level. Just like a fuse."

IOW, yet another blistering example of where a little simple experimentation
will demonstrate that most (if not all) clowns who consider themselves
*experts* are usually anything but....

;-)

"Rob" wrote in message
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Keith G wrote:

OK, that's power leads all nicely sorted and we all know where we stand
on them, don't we? As it's easier to make my point with them, let's do
speaker cables now....

Take a squint at this:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/Strand.jpg


Nice photo!


Thanks - nowt special, just a fairly satisfying grab in an awkward
situation.

All manual settings as follows, if you are interested:

Shutter - 1/60 sec.
Aperture - f16
Onboard flash - GN13
WB - Flash
ISO - 100
Focus - about 6 inches (Micro-Nikkor)


Right now I am listening to perfectly fine ('normal') sound from the
radio on a *single strand* of copper wire - all the way up to heap plenty
loud and down again! (Pucci's milkman isn't due here for ages so I asked
Swim to comment on the sound without telling her what I was up to and,
like me, she found nothing out of the ordinary!) In this situation, I
wonder what 'science' would support the 'conventional wisdom' of using
more than the one strand of wire - provided of course it don't break!


Dunno :-)


Me neither, but no wires at all would be the best solution - especially on
an AV setup!! :-)

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Eiron wrote:
The photo looks like an inch of 0.2mm diameter wire from a 79 strand
2.5mm^2 cable. I think it would blow at less than 20 amps but the voice
coil would probably blow first.

0.2mm diameter is rated at 5 amps in open fuse terms.

Think Jim Lesurf did lots of research into speaker fusing when he was at
Armstrong.


There have been a number of people who have done interesting research into
this sort of pack bonding/reassurance/submission behaviour with gerbils....



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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Keith G wrote:
By the pic such as it would melt very quickly with a decent amp into
decent speakers at a reasonable level. Just like a fuse.


What a number of 'selective vision' types here don't seem to realise is
that *trained chimps* like this **** think nothing of 'opening their
mouths' and outpouring their (his/Pucci's) own uninformed and highly
*inaccurate* personal prejudices and bigotry

[snip]

Kitty - get a life. And read up on very basic electrical stuff. It's not
rocket science.

Oh - what ever happened to your '****ter'? Can't stand being ignored?



Interesting post this one - probably (almost certainly) without realising
it, Pucci reveals all his fears and anxieties in one, quick go!

LOL!




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"Keith G"

The actual *facts* of the matter are that, no matter what the *figures*
may or may not be, the single strand is still working perfectly well and
will obviously sustain enough current to provide a 'heap plenty loud' (too
loud) sound ....

** No one ever said otherwise.

A 5 amp fuse fitted in series with a 8 ohm speaker is not be likely to
*ever* blow in a domestic system.

Change the speaker to 4 ohms and it may well blow at some time.

Change the speakers to Quad ESL63s ( et alia ) and it will blow for SURE -
if the internal voltage clamping circuitry ever activates.

Some of us KNOW a few things about fuses.

****WIT !!



....... Phil

In article ,
Keith G wrote:
The actual *facts* of the matter are that, no matter what the *figures*
may or may not be, the single strand is still working perfectly well
and will obviously sustain enough current to provide a 'heap plenty
loud' (too loud) sound as I said earlier - not as Pucci prated:

"By the pic such as it would melt very quickly with a decent amp into
decent speakers at a reasonable level. Just like a fuse."

IOW, yet another blistering example of where a little simple
experimentation will demonstrate that most (if not all) clowns who
consider themselves *experts* are usually anything but....

Only a egotist like you Kitty would assume *your* amp and speakers would
fit *my* definition of decent.

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"Phil My Anushole" wrote in message
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"Keith G"

The actual *facts* of the matter are that, no matter what the *figures*
may or may not be, the single strand is still working perfectly well and
will obviously sustain enough current to provide a 'heap plenty loud'
(too loud) sound ....

** No one ever said otherwise.

A 5 amp fuse fitted in series with a 8 ohm speaker is not be likely to
*ever* blow in a domestic system.


No one ever said otherwise.



Change the speaker to 4 ohms and it may well blow at some time.


No one ever said otherwise.



Change the speakers to Quad ESL63s ( et alia ) and it will blow for
URE - if the internal voltage clamping circuitry ever activates.


No one ever said otherwise.

Where does this silly crap end - swap the amp for an arc-welder and it'll
burn the wire out or summat?



Some of us KNOW a few things about fuses.


Don't be a stupid ****....


****WIT !!



OK, have it yer own way - be a stupid **** then....

LOL!!

In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Think Jim Lesurf did lots of research into speaker fusing when he was
at Armstrong.


There have been a number of people who have done interesting research
into this sort of pack bonding/reassurance/submission behaviour with
gerbils....

Why do you read this group when you've obviously no interest in audio
matters?

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Dave Plowman London SW
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"Keith Git "


The actual *facts* of the matter are that, no matter what the *figures*
may or may not be, the single strand is still working perfectly well and
will obviously sustain enough current to provide a 'heap plenty loud'
(too loud) sound ....

** No one ever said otherwise.

A 5 amp fuse fitted in series with a 8 ohm speaker is not be likely to
*ever* blow in a domestic system.

Change the speaker to 4 ohms and it may well blow at some time.

No one ever said otherwise.


** Fraid you did above - ****HEAD !!


Change the speakers to Quad ESL63s ( et alia ) and it will blow for
RE - if the internal voltage clamping circuitry ever activates.


No one ever said otherwise.


** Fraid you did above - ****HEAD !!

Whether a single strand of copper wire survives in use DEPENDS on what
impedance and type of speaker it is feeding plus the power capacity of the
amplifier.

Some of us KNOW a few things about fuses.

You PIG IGNORANT ****HEAD !!!!!!!!!!



...... Phil

"Keith G" wrote


Doesn't stop his silly yap about 'fuses', does it?

(I wonder if he has ever tried to jump-start a lorry or a tractor? - Nah,
I doubt it! ;-)


It's becoming quite obvious *none* of these ****s have ever tried to jump
start either one....

.....and seen the wires flash to red hot in a heartbeat!

Now, what was that crap about 'fuses are tiny compared to the cables they
protect'....???