"DAB sounds worse than FM" wrote in message
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
Indeed. I doubt the base costs vary by much. What the actual
'transmitter
rental' is has historically been in the end a political decision. In
exactly the same way as for cellular phones. Basically, a tax.


You haven't got the first clue what you're going on about Plowman.

More of a clue than you, apparently. Get your head out of your arse and
do
some proper research. You're supposed to have some form of engineering
qualification. Do you really think the bitrate makes much difference to
the *real* costs of transmission?


I really don't know why I bother replying to you or your ilk, because it
should be so incredibly obvious that the transmission costs will be highly
dependent on the bit rate used.

Just think about it for a few seconds. If a DAB multiplex costs £900,000
per annum to transmit in total, if the multiplex operator can fit 9
stations at 128 kbps on the multiplex then ignoring profit the cost would
be £100,000 per station per annum. If instead of carrying 9 x 128 kbps
stereo stations the multiplex carried 18 x 64 kbps mono stations then the
transmission costs per station would be £50,000.

Is this maths a little bit difficult for you, David?


Once you get outside his comfort zone (yapping about his lifetime job as a
microphone cable coiler) it all gets a bit difficult for him!!

:-)

But I'll tell ya summat for nowt - I have Classic FM on DAB on all day as
'sonic wallpaper' and I've become quite used to it - the DAB signal you can
get (even if it drops out occasionally) beats the FM you can't get and the
speakers you use help no end!

That said, I do have FM on my main system....

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"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 11:06:43 +0100, "DAB sounds worse than FM"
wrote:

I *know* what the radio industry thinks about this subject. Plowman
and the other one don't, because they don't follow the subject.


If you are labouring under the misapprehension that "the radio
industry" is one body with one opinion, you are sadly mistaken.


I've already said elsewhere that if you want to be more precise about it
then I'd say it's the "consensus view of the bigger commercial radio
groups and the BBC".


I have had to respond to many Ofcom consultations and studied all of
the other replies in great detail. One overwhelming conclusion I have
come to is that every respondent came at the questions from an
entirely different direction.


I wouldn't disagree with you, although all of the bigger commercial radio
groups and the BBC do now seem to have agreed on the fact that they're
going to push DAB and only DAB.


I heard it said a while back that no DAB radio sold to date would have made
a profit if the real costs of the endless advertising were taken out?

Don't know if that is actually true, but I'm sure some *blow off* will be
along shortly to put us all right...???

:-)

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wrote:
"Laurence Payne" wrote in message
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Maybe. A more common criticism (of the BBC at least) is that it's
embraced the Internet TOO enthusiastically, spending a lot of money
in competing in an area arguably not within it's remit.


The BBC obviously has different views on whether it wants people to use
its website (it does) to whether it wants people to listen to live
radio via the Internet (it very much does not).

"obviously"?

Why did the BBC setup the Coyopa system if it ("very much") doesn't want
anyone to listen to it? I'm afraid that isn't obvious to me at this point.

As chance would have it, I'm 'listening again' to the Last Night of the
Proms as I write this. (Trumpet Concerto, excellent!) From the results I
can't detect any obvious signs that the BBC don't want me to do this.
Thoroughly enjoyable.

Mind you, maybe they don't want us to listen to Proms via BBC1/1 TV. Maybe
that's why they use Clive Anderson to talk into the music. 8-]

Slainte,

Jim

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"tony sayer" wrote

Has anyone spotted pirate DAB?

Yes quite .. ever wondered why?..
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Why did the ship-board pirates of the 1960s all use MW? How about
established and thus cheaper technology coupled with a large number of
compatible receivers in use by the target audience?

David.

"tony sayer" wrote
The Studio to Transmitter link is more to do with where the multiplexer
unit is located and more often than not a bloody long way from where the
station is located!.


Eh? studio to transmitter links are required regardless of where the
multiplexer is. As to where it is, that will obviously depend on where the
component streams come from. If all the streams come from the same building
that's where the multiplexer will be!

Just one of the component costs of Dabble.
--

It's a simple enough box of chips.

David.

On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 12:40:35 +0100, "David Looser"
wrote:

"tony sayer" wrote

Has anyone spotted pirate DAB?

Yes quite .. ever wondered why?..
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Why did the ship-board pirates of the 1960s all use MW? How about
established and thus cheaper technology coupled with a large number of
compatible receivers in use by the target audience?

David.


I would have thought it was more to do with the coverage area they
could reach. That makes for a very easy equation for potential
advertisers.

d

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 12:40:35 +0100, "David Looser"
wrote:

"tony sayer" wrote

Has anyone spotted pirate DAB?

Yes quite .. ever wondered why?..
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Why did the ship-board pirates of the 1960s all use MW? How about
established and thus cheaper technology coupled with a large number of
compatible receivers in use by the target audience?

David.


I would have thought it was more to do with the coverage area they
could reach. That makes for a very easy equation for potential
advertisers.


Well yes, and that.

David.

In article , Jim Lesurf
scribeth thus
In article , tony sayer

wrote:



Has anyone spotted pirate DAB?

Yes quite .. ever wondered why?..

How much does a DAB encoder/multiplexer cost?

Slainte,

Jim

There is a design for one on the web problem is pirate broadcasters
want an audience and the lack of DAB receivers is the real problem..

We had a quote for a small DAB relay TX a while ago all up was some 20
odd grand as to the MUX don't think it should be that much you can do it
on ordinary PC's

Best to give Rhode and Schwarz a bell;!..
--
Tony Sayer

"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
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In article , DAB sounds worse
than FM
wrote:
"Laurence Payne" wrote in message
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Maybe. A more common criticism (of the BBC at least) is that
it's
embraced the Internet TOO enthusiastically, spending a lot of
money
in competing in an area arguably not within it's remit.


The BBC obviously has different views on whether it wants people to
use
its website (it does) to whether it wants people to listen to live
radio via the Internet (it very much does not).

"obviously"?

Why did the BBC setup the Coyopa system if it ("very much") doesn't
want
anyone to listen to it? I'm afraid that isn't obvious to me at this
point.


The BBC is specifically biased against live Internet radio, and
they're not biased against people listening on-demand via the iPlayer.
Coyopa's main job is to encode and do whatever else needs to be done
to generate the on-demand streams - the live streams are much easier
to generate in comparison.


As chance would have it, I'm 'listening again' to the Last Night of
the
Proms as I write this. (Trumpet Concerto, excellent!) From the
results I
can't detect any obvious signs that the BBC don't want me to do
this.
Thoroughly enjoyable.


As I say, they're not biased against the on-demand streams - they
consider the on-demand streams to complement live listening, but they
are blatantly biased against the live Internet streams. They
originally intended to deliver the live streams at lower quality (64
kbps AAC+ is what I was told by the person in charge of them) than the
on-demand streams (probably 96 kbps AAC+), but I spent many, many
hours arguing against this last year because there was no legitimate
reason for them to nobble the quality of the live streams, and in the
end they launched both the live and the on-demand streams at 128 kbps
AAC.



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internet-connected devices which terrifies the UK radio industry. I
believe that broadband-delivered radio will explode in the years to
come, offering very local, unregulated content, as well as opening a
window to the radio stations of the world." - from the Myers Report

"Keith G" wrote in message
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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Keith G wrote:
So it would have nothing to do with a monopoly supplier charging
what it
wants? Of course it has to pay the governnmint for those rights.


Blowing off again, Pucci Poos?

Dear Kitty - always having to add your words of wisdom it being
your own
personal newsgroup?

You know ****-all about HD anything it appears....

Sadly, of course, like so often, you have nothing to contribute to
the
subject.



You also know ****-all about the cost of DAB transmission it
appears....


He doesn't.


....but it doesn't stop you *blowing off* and trying to own every
thread that starts in this group....


Can't comment on him trying to own every thread on this group, but
whenever DAB is mentioned he always talks utter, utter crap because he
has absolutely no understanding of the subject whatsoever.


--
Steve - www.savefm.org - stop the BBC bullies switching off FM

www.digitalradiotech.co.uk - digital radio news & info

"It is the sheer volume of online audio content available via
internet-connected devices which terrifies the UK radio industry. I
believe that broadband-delivered radio will explode in the years to
come, offering very local, unregulated content, as well as opening a
window to the radio stations of the world." - from the Myers Report