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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
David Looser wrote:
"Iain Churches" wrote

it also has no relevance at all to
the subject under discussion - big band recording.


Was *that* the subject under discussion? I seem to remember that it was
the recording of a bull-fight crowd by a TV documentary crew!

Indeed.

FWIW, most of that sort of thing is done using something like a Sanken
CMS-10 which is a combination of hypercardiod and figure of eight in the
same unit. Iain has no experience of the requirements and constraints of
exterior location recording.


He did say he'd done some recording of steam trains. Presumably he recorded
them using a large numbers of mocrophones and a multi-track recorder.

David.

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On 08/12/2009 13:27, Keith G wrote:

"Rob" wrote in message
m...
Came across this on another newsgroup:

http://www.iconeye.com/index.php?opt...es-the-uk-plug
-

Seems just the thing to at least start to tidy up the plug/socket
proliferation I have - 11 at the TV/hifi for example.


That's not OT \Rob, that's very interesting.


I'd actually posted it to the wrong group originally - even worse OT -
but it generated quite a lot of interest.

Here, just trying to be sensitive to the some of the more sensitive :-)

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On 08/12/2009 17:39, Serge Auckland wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Rob wrote:
Came across this on another newsgroup:

http://www.iconeye.com/index.php?opt...es-the-uk-plug
-

Seems just the thing to at least start to tidy up the plug/socket
proliferation I have - 11 at the TV/hifi for example.

Wonder just how well something with rotating pins would survive? But it
certainly looks a good idea. Although not many will be willing to hack
off
their plugs to fit it. So it would need to be taken up as OE by somebody.

ISTR something similar for low current appliances - is it still made?

I've got some inline distribution boards that take 6 plugs similar to IEC
ones. But haven't seen them for a while. But my main installation dates
back to before everything came with a fitted plug - so I dunno if I'd use
that system now.

Rob

OT (cont'd) Also came across this:

***

Radio 4 this morning:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today...00/8398753.stm

'A singing toy mouse has been recalled after complaints that it sings
the words "paedophile, paedophile", the Sun reports. Listen to the song
played on the Today programme.'

It did indeed sound like paedophile to me - but not apparently to the
presenter.


Apparently, if you slow it down it does sound like jingle bells.


***

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*How many roads must a man travel down before he admits he is lost?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

QED used to sell a distribution panel which took small plugs similar to
IECs, but without the shroud. Then they were modified to have a tab
which opened the socket shutters. By cutting off the tab, the later
plugs as well as the originals could interchange with an IEC mains
outlet, albeit without shrouds round the pins.


Yep, that's it, that was what I was thinking about.

Considering that professionally, IEC mains distribution panels are
commonplace, there will be one or more in any equipment rack, I'm
surprised no enterprising Foo-merchant (RA for example?) has thought of
dusting them with fairy-powder, quadrupling the price and selling them
as the latest audiophile accessory....Gold-plated MKs are so last year....


Well, if RA got the ball rolling and a dozen rich people bought the
product and paid for the development, which then got knocked off
elsewhere at a reasonable price, I wouldn't complain.

Rob

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
It's funny because I have heard the same claim
on numerous occasions, and aways from people like
Dave, armchair experts who always think they know
better than the people who do this kind of thing on
a daily basis.

Isn't it strange that *you* had occasion to ask my advice privately on
how to handle a live gig, Iain? Think I still have the email
somewhere...

Yes. I have it too. I asked for your suggestions for radio mics,
something I rarely use. The types you suggested were more than
satisfactory, and I thanked you for your help. There is nothing
*strange* or secret about that, it also has no relevance at all to
the subject under discussion - big band recording.

Has lots of relevance to your talking about 'and aways from people like
Dave, armchair experts'. And all the other put downs you come up with.

Come on Dave.You admit to having no music recording
training or experience, so your expertise cannot be anything
than that of the armchair variety..


It seems strange to me that with all your *claimed* expertise and name
dropping of those you *claim* to know in the industry, you turn to a
stranger from a newsgroup for advice on a professional matter. I certainly
wouldn't ask you for such advice - I'd ask a colleague or other peer.


Oh you mean the radio mics? It seems to mean such a lot to you
that someone actually asked *you* for a recommendation:-)
Surely you are not so naive as to think you were the *only*
person I asked? In addition, the technical sales at both
Sony and Sennheiser were also extremely helpful, and both let
me borrow what I needed for evaluation.

And while you're at it try answering
the bit about live concerts in the heyday of big bands. But I'd guess
you've ignored that since you know you'd just make a fool of yourself.

Already answered.

Live concerts were totally different to what we know and expect
today, so you hor anyone else here can possibly know what they
sounded like. Neither can we put too much trust in what people
have said in the past - particularly as state-of-the-art audio was to
them the 78rpm shellac disc.

Several people have suggested good examples of live lazz concert
recordings from the 50s onwards. They all seem to be multi-mic.
Ask yourself why, Dave.

Listen to Ellington at Newport, recorded 1956. It's
a perfect example.

Please refer back to your earlier statements, particularly
those that allude to abilities of music recording personel..

Must just have been replying to one of your 'armchair expert' type jibes.
You certainly come out of the same mould as Kitty when it comes to
throwing around insults but expressing bewilderment when they're returned.

Quite to the contrary. I have learned *not* to expect a solid argument
from you, backed up by facts, links , demos or examples. Just hot air.


I make a point of never downloading stuff from an untrustworthy source.

LOL:-))
Don't you have a virus checker????

http://www.kolumbus.fi/iain.churches/Music/BBD.mp3

This link illustrates my point perfectly, so I can see why
you are keen to find an excuse not to listen to it.

Iain

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"MiNe 109" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

I make a point of never downloading stuff from an untrustworthy source.

Played it in Firefox: no adverse effects so far.

Nor will there be.
Dave is just looking for an excuse not to play the track.

Iain

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"David Looser" wrote in message
...
"Iain Churches" wrote

it also has no relevance at all to
the subject under discussion - big band recording.


Was *that* the subject under discussion? I seem to remember that it was
the recording of a bull-fight crowd by a TV documentary crew!

Indeed, and it morphed into the suitability and lack of suitability
of stereo pairs, in various applications, then the Decca tree
and then multi-mic for big band.

Interesting how your "load of bull(s)" can become five trumpets,
four trombones, five saxophones and a rhythm section. :-)


Iain

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In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
It's funny because I have heard the same claim
on numerous occasions, and aways from people like
Dave, armchair experts who always think they know
better than the people who do this kind of thing on
a daily basis.

Isn't it strange that *you* had occasion to ask my advice privately
on how to handle a live gig, Iain? Think I still have the email
somewhere...

Yes. I have it too. I asked for your suggestions for radio mics,
something I rarely use. The types you suggested were more than
satisfactory, and I thanked you for your help. There is nothing
*strange* or secret about that, it also has no relevance at all to
the subject under discussion - big band recording.

Has lots of relevance to your talking about 'and aways from people like
Dave, armchair experts'. And all the other put downs you come up with.

Come on Dave.You admit to having no music recording
training or experience, so your expertise cannot be anything
than that of the armchair variety..

Making things up again Iain? I'll admit to have no experience of making
records. Which to anyone but you would be a different thing...

It seems strange to me that with all your *claimed* expertise and name
dropping of those you *claim* to know in the industry, you turn to a
stranger from a newsgroup for advice on a professional matter. I
certainly wouldn't ask you for such advice - I'd ask a colleague or
other peer.


Oh you mean the radio mics? It seems to mean such a lot to you
that someone actually asked *you* for a recommendation:-)

No - it just surprised me any 'pro' needed such basic advice.

Surely you are not so naive as to think you were the *only*
person I asked?

No again - I'd have hoped a last resort. Which surprised me greatly given
your constant claims and name dropping.

In addition, the technical sales at both
Sony and Sennheiser were also extremely helpful, and both let
me borrow what I needed for evaluation.

Good grief. Must look for the emails you sent...

But it wasn't just about 'radio mics'. It was a question about how to mic
up a particular situation. Something you claim to be the world expert on.


And while you're at it try answering
the bit about live concerts in the heyday of big bands. But I'd guess
you've ignored that since you know you'd just make a fool of yourself.

Already answered.

Live concerts were totally different to what we know and expect
today, so you hor anyone else here can possibly know what they
sounded like. Neither can we put too much trust in what people
have said in the past - particularly as state-of-the-art audio was to
them the 78rpm shellac disc.

So what you're saying is a big band without modern amplification will
sound rubbish live? How sad is that.

Several people have suggested good examples of live lazz concert
recordings from the 50s onwards. They all seem to be multi-mic.
Ask yourself why, Dave.

You seem to be back on recordings. Ever go to a live event, Iain? Of
course I realise you can't have heard big bands live in their heyday, but
have you never talked to those who have?

Listen to Ellington at Newport, recorded 1956. It's
a perfect example.

Why would a recording tell me anything about live sound?

Please refer back to your earlier statements, particularly
those that allude to abilities of music recording personel..

Must just have been replying to one of your 'armchair expert' type
jibes. You certainly come out of the same mould as Kitty when it comes
to throwing around insults but expressing bewilderment when they're
returned.

Quite to the contrary. I have learned *not* to expect a solid argument
from you, backed up by facts, links , demos or examples. Just hot air.

But all your 'facts' never answer the question. Just like the average
politician. You answer the question you wish was asked.


I make a point of never downloading stuff from an untrustworthy source.

LOL:-))
Don't you have a virus checker????

Whoosh.

You're the untrustworthy source.

--
*People want trepanners like they want a hole in the head*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
It's funny because I have heard the same claim
on numerous occasions, and aways from people like
Dave, armchair experts who always think they know
better than the people who do this kind of thing on
a daily basis.

Isn't it strange that *you* had occasion to ask my advice privately
on how to handle a live gig, Iain? Think I still have the email
somewhere...

Yes. I have it too. I asked for your suggestions for radio mics,
something I rarely use. The types you suggested were more than
satisfactory, and I thanked you for your help. There is nothing
*strange* or secret about that, it also has no relevance at all to
the subject under discussion - big band recording.

Has lots of relevance to your talking about 'and aways from people like
Dave, armchair experts'. And all the other put downs you come up with.

Come on Dave.You admit to having no music recording
training or experience, so your expertise cannot be anything
than that of the armchair variety..

Making things up again Iain? I'll admit to have no experience of making
records. Which to anyone but you would be a different thing...

You stated that you had no training in music recording.


Oh you mean the radio mics? It seems to mean such a lot to you
that someone actually asked *you* for a recommendation:-)

No - it just surprised me any 'pro' needed such basic advice.

Surely you are not so naive as to think you were the *only*
person I asked?

No again - I'd have hoped a last resort. Which surprised me greatly given
your constant claims and name dropping.

This was all about a 50s rock'n'roll show with a seven piece saxophone
whose performance was as much about choreopgraphy as it was music.
I simply asked for your recomedation for reliable radio mics.



In addition, the technical sales at both
Sony and Sennheiser were also extremely helpful, and both let
me borrow what I needed for evaluation.

Good grief. Must look for the emails you sent...

I have the e-mauiol in front of me.

But it wasn't just about 'radio mics'. It was a question about how to mic
up a particular situation. Something you claim to be the world expert on.


Your memory fails you. Do you think I would ask you how to
mic up a saxophone section, something I have done hundreds of
times? LOL:-)

You seem to be back on recordings. Ever go to a live event, Iain? Of
course I realise you can't have heard big bands live in their heyday, but
have you never talked to those who have?

Listen to Ellington at Newport, recorded 1956. It's
a perfect example.

Why would a recording tell me anything about live sound?

It was a live event.

But all your 'facts' never answer the question. Just like the average
politician. You answer the question you wish was asked.

I have provided a large number of examples to illustrate my point
about the superiority of multi mic technique over a simple pair
for big band recording. You have provided nothing to disprove
my statement.



Iain

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In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
No again - I'd have hoped a last resort. Which surprised me greatly
given your constant claims and name dropping.

This was all about a 50s rock'n'roll show with a seven piece saxophone
whose performance was as much about choreopgraphy as it was music.
I simply asked for your recomedation for reliable radio mics.

Would you like me to publish your original email here, Iain?

--
*My designated driver drove me to drink

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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"Iain Churches" wrote in message
...

"David Looser" wrote in message
...
"Iain Churches" wrote

it also has no relevance at all to
the subject under discussion - big band recording.


Was *that* the subject under discussion? I seem to remember that it was
the recording of a bull-fight crowd by a TV documentary crew!

Indeed, and it morphed into the suitability and lack of suitability
of stereo pairs, in various applications, then the Decca tree
and then multi-mic for big band.

It didn't "morph" into that, you pushed it there because you felt you were
on safer ground with it there. I was talking about recording a real live
event that wasn't happening for the benefit of the recordist.

David.