"David Looser" wrote in message
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote

Have you ever heard a decent big band live in a good venue, Iain?

Not only heard but recorded big bands in many locations around
Europe, including Copenhagen, the Rudolfinum (Prague) and
the Queen Elizabeth Hall. and the Round House
in London. Do these meet your crtiteria as good venues?

I also *play* in a semi-pro big band.
Tell us of your big band experiences please Dave.


Ah, at last, a mention of the venue. Reading Iain's talk about big-band
recording it was all about microphones - what about the acoustic
environment
in which the music is played?

You pick your recording method according to the acoustic of the
auditorium. These days there is almost always PA, which must
also be taken into account.

In a studio situation the importance of the acoustic environment
is greatly diminished. You can treat each section of the band as a
separate entity and place it in the acoustic of youe choice, by use
of reverb.So you can have The Manchester Free Trade Hall for
the brass, and the V+A for the woodwinds.

Iain

"Iain Churches" wrote in message
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"David Looser" wrote in message
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Ah, at last, a mention of the venue. Reading Iain's talk about big-band
recording it was all about microphones - what about the acoustic
environment
in which the music is played?

You pick your recording method according to the acoustic of the
auditorium. These days there is almost always PA, which must
also be taken into account.

Ah, so we are back to microphones again :-(

David.

"Iain Churches" wrote in message
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"David Looser" wrote in message
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote

Have you ever heard a decent big band live in a good venue, Iain?

Not only heard but recorded big bands in many locations around
Europe, including Copenhagen, the Rudolfinum (Prague) and
the Queen Elizabeth Hall. and the Round House
in London. Do these meet your crtiteria as good venues?

I also *play* in a semi-pro big band.
Tell us of your big band experiences please Dave.


Ah, at last, a mention of the venue. Reading Iain's talk about big-band
recording it was all about microphones - what about the acoustic
environment
in which the music is played?


Is that Looser arguing like **** for argument's sake again - where's the
'debate' ankle-biters when you need them?



You pick your recording method according to the acoustic of the
auditorium. These days there is almost always PA, which must
also be taken into account.

In a studio situation the importance of the acoustic environment
is greatly diminished. You can treat each section of the band as a
separate entity and place it in the acoustic of youe choice, by use
of reverb.So you can have The Manchester Free Trade Hall for
the brass, and the V+A for the woodwinds.



Frankly Iain, there more 'artifice' in a recording the worse, I feel - all
this *technology trickery* stems from people trying to create the 'perfect
sound forever' on crappy CDs, I suspect....

Iain Churches wrote:

In a studio situation the importance of the acoustic environment
is greatly diminished. You can treat each section of the band as a
separate entity and place it in the acoustic of youe choice, by use
of reverb.So you can have The Manchester Free Trade Hall for
the brass, and the V+A for the woodwinds.

You would put the brass in a double room with the woodwind in the bathroom.
The Free Trade Hall has been a hotel for years.

--
Eiron.

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Iain Churches wrote:
Have you ever heard a decent big band live in a good venue, Iain?

Not only heard but recorded big bands in many locations around
Europe, including Copenhagen, the Rudolfinum (Prague) and
the Queen Elizabeth Hall. and the Round House
in London. Do these meet your crtiteria as good venues?

I also *play* in a semi-pro big band.

How can you be so ignorant of what they sound like live, then?

--
*Someday, we'll look back on this, laugh nervously and change the subject

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
Have you ever heard a decent big band live in a good venue, Iain?

Not only heard but recorded big bands in many locations around
Europe, including Copenhagen, the Rudolfinum (Prague) and
the Queen Elizabeth Hall. and the Round House
in London. Do these meet your crtiteria as good venues?

I also *play* in a semi-pro big band.

How can you be so ignorant of what they sound like live, then?


The ignorance, which has been evident all along, is
yours, trying to substitute real hands on experience
of many years, for your armchair expertise.


Iain

"Eiron" wrote in message
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Iain Churches wrote:

In a studio situation the importance of the acoustic environment
is greatly diminished. You can treat each section of the band as a
separate entity and place it in the acoustic of youe choice, by use
of reverb.So you can have The Manchester Free Trade Hall for
the brass, and the V+A for the woodwinds.

You would put the brass in a double room with the woodwind in the
bathroom.
The Free Trade Hall has been a hotel for years.

It was a great venue - the scene of many fine Halle Orchestra
projects.The front of the building was splendid. Was it completely
demolished?

Iain

"Keith G" wrote in message
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Frankly Iain, there more 'artifice' in a recording the worse, I feel - all
this *technology trickery* stems from people trying to create the 'perfect
sound forever' on crappy CDs, I suspect....

But digital reverb for example makes it all so easy. *Dozens* of preset
effects in a 2U box!

It was much more fun to use a lift shaft, and stick a speaker in the
bottom and a mic at the top, and use that for reverb, or put the
drum kit out in the stair well, with a wet tea towel towel on the
top head of the snare drum, and a sack of spuds inside the
bass drum.. We don't have fun like that anymo-(

Iain

"David Looser" wrote in message
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"Iain Churches" wrote in message
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"David Looser" wrote in message
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Ah, at last, a mention of the venue. Reading Iain's talk about big-band
recording it was all about microphones - what about the acoustic
environment
in which the music is played?

You pick your recording method according to the acoustic of the
auditorium. These days there is almost always PA, which must
also be taken into account.

Ah, so we are back to microphones again :-(

Well yes. The acoustic of a concert hall or auditorium is
something that you cannot normally do very much about,
so in the end it's all down to mic technique:-)

Many companies record in the same venues, St. John's.
Smith Square is a good example. Each recording sounds
different regardless of being made in the same acoustic
space.

Iain

In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
Have you ever heard a decent big band live in a good venue, Iain?

Not only heard but recorded big bands in many locations around
Europe, including Copenhagen, the Rudolfinum (Prague) and
the Queen Elizabeth Hall. and the Round House
in London. Do these meet your crtiteria as good venues?

I also *play* in a semi-pro big band.

How can you be so ignorant of what they sound like live, then?


The ignorance, which has been evident all along, is
yours, trying to substitute real hands on experience
of many years, for your armchair expertise.

So sad your so called experience leaves you so ignorant.
But I'll remember next time you ask me for advice on how to cover a live
event. Especially when you ask such a question which shows just how little
knowledge you have of such things.

--
*Go the extra mile. It makes your boss look like an incompetent slacker *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.