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Arny Krueger wrote:
"exalted wombat" wrote in
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This time first time poster who showed up to throw a little dirt around...


There's some distortion in the sax sound at 2.44. Maybe
in the recording chain, maybe spit sound from the sax,
maybe a MP3 artifact. Whatever it is, the eq'd version
emphasises it.

your comment is meaningless.

But this makes a point -


Try and make your mind up Arny.


--
Bill Coombes

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On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:23:38 +0000, Keith G
wrote:

There's some samples of my keyboard playing on my web site, if anyone
wants to nit-pick. Though much of it was multi-tracked into a
sequencer, I can assure you it was all PLAYED, not step-entered or
otherwise constructed.




OK, let's have a link then!!

It's easy to Google. Look for the page where I advertise scoring and
backing track services. I can't stop anyone posting the direct link,
but I'd rather they didn't.

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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message

Arny Krueger wrote:
"Laurence Payne" wrote in
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On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:27:20 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

There's some distortion in the sax sound at 2.44. Maybe in the
recording chain, maybe spit sound from
the sax, maybe a MP3 artifact. Whatever it is, the
eq'd version emphasises it.
If its spit, its not distortion. Since you don't know,
your comment is meaningless.

Not worth arguing. "Unwanted sound" then.

Accurate use of words seems to be a lost art around here.

Have a listen.

I have already listened to my own track, and compared it
to the fiction that Kitty posted here. He didn't
implement my recommendation exactly. Besides, my
recommendation was a just first cut, not a recipie for a
finished, mastered recording.


Wake up THICKO..!!

I only recorded the clarinet - I mixed NOTHING, I EQ'd NOTHING.

What is this?

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/GeorgiaMEQ.mp3


What does the EQ in the file name mean?

It identifies the file EQ'd precisely to your suggestions.
I sent this to Keith. He only has an .mp3. The changes
were made to a clone of the original which I have.

You seem to be losing the plot, Arny.

Iain

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"Keith G" wrote in message
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Laurence Payne wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 11:56:57 +0200, "Iain Churches"
wrote:

The piece comes over as being put
together, rather than existing in a natural acoustic setting.
Oh it's a composite alright - recorded in three different
countries, and played by people who have never met each
other.

A circumstance that makes it very hard for the players to listen to
each other and co-operate stylistically and rhythmically. It's easy
to phrase together when you can see each other (a little rehearsal
doesn't hurt either :-)



What I would like to see (hear) is dozens of people in different locations
playing in a great big, brought together Bonzo Dog 'Intro Outro' type of
piece - then we could YouTube it!!

That would be great fun. BD were were a very good band.
Maybe The Temperance Seven is more our style?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDhaZElJ4Ho

Iain

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"Laurence Payne" wrote in message
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On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:12:49 +0200, "Iain Churches"
wrote:

To give you a bit of impetus:
http://www.kolumbus.fi/iain.churches/Music/TTT.mp3



Just a simple backing line to start with would be handy!

Good track isn't it?

If that doesn't get Laurence's trombone player's adrenalin
pumping then nothing will.

Absolutely. I miss playing the thing. I could probably get back to a
standard I'd be happy to record and share in a month or two!

Good news! As far as the playing standard of the UKRAinian
All Stars is concerned, you are probably light years ahead of
the rest of us:-)


But I
have neither the time or a reason to do so (with a real reason, of
course I'd FIND the time:-)

We're working on that. Can you feel a strange warmth every
time you go near the trombone case?

Iain

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"Keith G" wrote in message
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Iain Churches wrote:
"Audix" wrote in message
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On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:01:02 +0000, Keith G
wrote:

Anyway, here's the original again:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/GeorgiaM.mp3


And here's Arny's suggestion (EQ is not *my* work):

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/GeorgiaMEQ.mp3


So, it's a simple case of 'better or worse?'...??

What does the team think?

The original is definitely not mellow. The composite nature is
revealed however. Clarinet sounds roughly as one would expect but the
saxophone is rather too breathy (on axis?) for my taste.

My saxophone idol is Ben Webster:-(
His tone is *much* breathier"


Fweh, fweh, fwehhhh...

Took him twenty years to perfect that sound.
Wish I could do it:-)

Iain

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"Keith G" wrote in message
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Iain Churches wrote:



Few people get the opportunity these days, except at concerts,
to hear musical instruments "in the flesh" as it were, and are
sometimes quite surprised when they do.


I have posted here before on a number of occasions - ****s who are stuck
on the 'accuracy' aspect of *hifi* equipment and think their 'porridge
pump' sound system delivers the 'real thing' can come here and hear a parp
or two on Swim's clart....

A parp or two? :)

Over Christmas, I got talking to a very upper class lady (as one does)
She told me that she had been in London, and very much enjoyed
a visit to Covent Garden (opera house not market)

We got talking about music. I mentioned playing the saxophone.
She said "Oh wat fun, and jolly easy too I suppose. You just
blow and wiggle your fingers"

:-)

Iain

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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Laurence Payne" wrote in message

On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:27:20 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

There's some distortion in the sax sound at 2.44. Maybe
in the recording chain, maybe spit sound from the sax,
maybe a MP3 artifact. Whatever it is, the eq'd version
emphasises it.

If its spit, its not distortion. Since you don't know,
your comment is meaningless.

Not worth arguing. "Unwanted sound" then.

Accurate use of words seems to be a lost art around here.

It's a shortcoming in subtone (player technique), barely audible
on the .wav file, much more adible on the-mp3 and made much
worse in theEQ'd version.


Have a listen.

I have already listened to my own track, and compared it to the fiction
that Kitty posted here. He didn't implement my recommendation exactly.
Besides, my recommendation was a just first cut, not a recipie for a
finished, mastered recording.

Your suggestion was inmplemented exactly as you wrote it,
and a clone made from the original .wav track on a Studer
digital console.

Your suggestion was horrendous
Your wriggling is understandable:-)

If you were a Roman Catholic, you could recite three Hail Mary's
and buy us all a pint of Guiness, as total absolution.

I am not at all sure what a Born Again Baptist would be expected
to do in a situation like this.

Perhaps you will be turned into a pillar of salt, in which case
I suggest we sell you off in tiny blue bags to the makers of
Smiths Crisps:-)

Iain

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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Iain Churches" wrote in message


Audio is no longer the hands-on hobby it used to be,

Iain speaks for just himself. He's never been hands-on with recording in
his life, even though he was a minor functionary at a well known record
label. If recording had been a hands-on hobby with Iain, he would have at
least a few microphones and he has repeatedly told us he has none.

I have none, not a single one! The company of which I am a shareholder
has a considerable number. The concept of anything but a one man band
still seems to alude you:-)


I find it amusing that after stepping in the do-do on the sidewalk with
his C1000 recommendation, Iain is actually going to get his hands a little
dirty and touch a microphone. That's a victory for me, because I think
that recording can be a very good hands-on occupation, whether at the
amateur level or even professionally. At this point Iain is neither but at
least has taken a few steps in what may be the right direction.

Stupidity not worthy of a reply.

but this recording has been an attempt to do something
practical, as a group project.

It's a practical circle-jerk.

You are welcome to your opinion.


Let's review what happened.

Kitty posted a MP3 file and asked a leading question about it. I made the
mistake of responding honestly and sincerely with a first cut at an
approximate correction to the file that by all accounts did address
Kitty's question. Nobody claim that my proposed change stopped the file
from being "Too mellow".

Kitty probably did the best job he could of implementing my suggestion
with his limited skills and equipment, and posted the file he fabricated
as evidence as part of a trumped=up test of my recording skills.

You suggested EQ was carried out on Studer Vista console
http://www.studer.ch/products/product.aspx?pid=2
exactly as you specified it.


Iain jumped right on it and gave the expected negative reaction. He
further seems to have dredged up two people are far from being UKRA
regulars, to agree with him. One never ever posted here, and the other
posted once a number of months ago. Of course they are going to deny this
to retain Iain's friendship, but the record of Google is clear- they had
no significant interest in UKRA until Iain started libeling me based on
Kitty's botched file.

You are as mad as a light bulb Arny:-))

So what we have is a complete misappropriation of my casual suggestion by
Iain and Kitty, Kitty fabricating evidence, Iain trying to force his
opinions on the group as part of his ongoing vendetta against me,
followed by Iain dredging up his friends to agree with him.

See above.

Iain

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Iain Churches wrote:
"Laurence Payne" wrote in message
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On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:12:49 +0200, "Iain Churches"
wrote:

To give you a bit of impetus:
http://www.kolumbus.fi/iain.churches/Music/TTT.mp3


Just a simple backing line to start with would be handy!
Good track isn't it?

If that doesn't get Laurence's trombone player's adrenalin
pumping then nothing will.
Absolutely. I miss playing the thing. I could probably get back to a
standard I'd be happy to record and share in a month or two!

Good news! As far as the playing standard of the UKRAinian
All Stars is concerned, you are probably light years ahead of
the rest of us:-)


But I
have neither the time or a reason to do so (with a real reason, of
course I'd FIND the time:-)

We're working on that. Can you feel a strange warmth every
time you go near the trombone case?


It's in the airing cupboard?




Iain





UKRAnian All Stars! I like that!! :-)