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Ribbon for Alto?
Posted in the spirit of a *no fees will be paid*/*no invitation to to tender
for a consultancy contract exists or is being offered*, amateur/hobbyist enquiry* only does anybody disagree the ribbon mic beats the Oktava for the alto sax** in these 'near identical' (simultaneously recorded and edited, but not level matched) clips? (Please note the backing track is not properly *mixed* - merely being played in the background over speakers for practice purposes!) http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/shown...ClipOktava.wav http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/shown...ClipRibbon.wav Only my recently acquired favourite 'Choob Mic' has succumbed (temporarily, I hope) to the 'Gadget Pox' *pandemic* that we are currently experiencing and is humming along with the tunes, so I gotta mess with one of these two mics 'til I get it sorted!! Responses appreciated; all calls and texts returned, your photo gets mine, &c.... *(Also summat of a progress report for Iain! :-) **Very recently arrived; Swim Bo's earliest efforts....!! |
Ribbon for Alto?
"Brian Gaff" wrote in message . .. Not heard it, Hah! but the polar diagram and responses of ribbon mikes always make things sound different. Very fragile mics too. Yes, I know but I think I'm looking for someone to give me a 'by a country mile' verdict! I like them both and (as usual) can never decide - the 'early days' raggedy-arsed playing doesn't help, I know.... |
Ribbon for Alto?
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Keith G wrote: Posted in the spirit of a *no fees will be paid*/*no invitation to to tender for a consultancy contract exists or is being offered*, amateur/hobbyist enquiry* only does anybody disagree the ribbon mic beats the Oktava for the alto sax** in these 'near identical' (simultaneously recorded and edited, but not level matched) clips? The STC 4038 ribbon - probably *the* classic mic of all time - is excellent on sax. Of course they have to be in good condition. And it's much more expensive to make a good ribbon mike than a condenser. -- *Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
Ribbon for Alto?
"Keith G" wrote in message ... "Brian Gaff" wrote in message . .. Not heard it, Hah! but the polar diagram and responses of ribbon mikes always make things sound different. Very fragile mics too. Yes, I know but I think I'm looking for someone to give me a 'by a country mile' verdict! I like them both and (as usual) can never decide - the 'early days' raggedy-arsed playing doesn't help, I know.... OK, OK, I get it - 'neither one, go and fix the valve mic', eh? Replaced this (probably perfectly OK) JAN Philips with a nice little 'Chelmer' badged short plate (for, er, low microphony) Sovtek 12AX7 and thought I had at least significantly reduced the hum for a while, but it's back now!! http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/AKG-1.jpg (Guess I now know why the mic was on eBay!! :-) Here is a shot of the orange LED that makes the valve 'light up': http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/AKG-2.jpg I tell ya, the most common cause of death will soon be 'Bull**** Overload'.... |
Ribbon for Alto?
Keith G wrote:
Here is a shot of the orange LED that makes the valve 'light up': http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/AKG-2.jpg I tell ya, the most common cause of death will soon be 'Bull**** Overload'.... LMAO...it's good to see tube technology moving forward. -- Bill Coombes |
Ribbon for Alto?
"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
Not heard it, but the polar diagram and responses of ribbon mikes always make things sound different. Very fragile mics too. Remember the naive audiophile's mantra: "If it sounds different, it must sound better". ;-) |
Ribbon for Alto?
Keith G wrote:
OK, OK, I get it - 'neither one, go and fix the valve mic', eh? Replaced this (probably perfectly OK) JAN Philips with a nice little 'Chelmer' badged short plate (for, er, low microphony) Sovtek 12AX7 and thought I had at least significantly reduced the hum for a while, but it's back now!! http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/AKG-1.jpg (Guess I now know why the mic was on eBay!! :-) Here is a shot of the orange LED that makes the valve 'light up': Hum? Power supply should supply regulated DC for heaters and HT. Does yours have a "ground lift" switch? AKG mics seem to be well supported with info such as he http://www.akg.com/mediendatenbank2/...5d251a2cd0.pdf Ian |
Ribbon for Alto?
"Ian Iveson" wrote in message ... Keith G wrote: OK, OK, I get it - 'neither one, go and fix the valve mic', eh? Replaced this (probably perfectly OK) JAN Philips with a nice little 'Chelmer' badged short plate (for, er, low microphony) Sovtek 12AX7 and thought I had at least significantly reduced the hum for a while, but it's back now!! http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/AKG-1.jpg (Guess I now know why the mic was on eBay!! :-) Here is a shot of the orange LED that makes the valve 'light up': Hum? Power supply should supply regulated DC for heaters and HT. Does yours have a "ground lift" switch? Yes and I'm sure I've tried it both ways, but I'll have a more careful look at it in the week. I don't think it is the valve, but if it was, there's always the chance I've swapped one noisy valve for another! AKG mics seem to be well supported with info such as he http://www.akg.com/mediendatenbank2/...5d251a2cd0.pdf Thanks for that - I have already got that somewhere but I don't think I'll be stripping it down that far myself. If it comes to it, I'll send it off to have it serviced by someone who knows what he is doing! Reading some of the information about these mics on the Net I'm seeing a lot of people have swapped the valve for the *exact same* Mullard I gave/loaned to a friend for use in his Croft preamp which the *****ing idiot* suddenly/surprisingly sold, letting the Mullard go with it! Worth about 40 quid at the time, IIRC - I had forgotten that; now I am reminded.... |
Ribbon for Alto?
"Keith G" wrote in message ... Posted in the spirit of a *no fees will be paid*/*no invitation to to tender for a consultancy contract exists or is being offered*, amateur/hobbyist enquiry* only does anybody disagree the ribbon mic beats the Oktava for the alto sax** in these 'near identical' (simultaneously recorded and edited, but not level matched) clips? (Please note the backing track is not properly *mixed* - merely being played in the background over speakers for practice purposes!) http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/shown...ClipOktava.wav http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/shown...ClipRibbon.wav Only my recently acquired favourite 'Choob Mic' has succumbed (temporarily, I hope) to the 'Gadget Pox' *pandemic* that we are currently experiencing and is humming along with the tunes, so I gotta mess with one of these two mics 'til I get it sorted!! After only one listen, I would pick the ribbon. But bear in mind that the results you ultimately achieve are the combination of the mic you choose and careful positioning in a given acoustic People tend to avoid ribbons as they are fragile, but with a little TLC they can last a lifetime. Most people of our age in the UK remember Reslo as the best-known ribbon mic manufacturer (the SR1 was often supplied with Ferrograph and Vortexion tape recorders) but there was another British manufacturer that made a good and very affordable ribbon mic, The Film Industries M8. In the 1960s they cost the grand sum of £8.15s or £10.7.6 with on/off switch. One sees them occasionally on e.Bay. Something to look out for. http://www.kolumbus.fi/iain.churches...dustriesM8.jpg *(Also summat of a progress report for Iain! :-) Appreciated:-) Microphone placing for a saxophone is not as straightforward as it is for a trumpet, trombone, French horn where all the sound comes out of one 'ole, the bell. But it is much easier than for example the clarinet where you have to contend with the three different sounding registers. One often sees a mic just placed above the bell of the saxophone. This may not prove to be the optimum position. If you take a careful look at the instrument, it will become clear that only the lowest three notes, C, B, and Bb (written, not concert) come out of the bell or near to it. The other notes emerge from tone holes further up. You seem to have chosen to set the mic well back from the alto, Keith You might care to try a more intimate, immediate sound. In which case try a position which forms an equilateral triangle with the bell and the top F key (that's the very first LH pearl key, which it normally covered by any finger) Keeping the two lower angles the same, zoom in and out at right-angles to the body of the saxophone, a few cms until you get what you want. Iain PS. Pity Santa has been and gone, this might have been nice. I have seen them go for a lot more money. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEUMANN-M49-M-...item4ced1c1b56 |
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