In article ,
Arny Krueger wrote:
Most pastors IME are far from being techno-nerds. We care for our
worship staff's equipment for them. Our stage manager manages the
batteries.

Indeed. This is the case here. And sadly, this particular kirk has a
declining congregation consisting mostly of elderly people. It would be
great if there was something like a stage manager - but that's pie in the
sky today. Very different when I attended it some 50 years ago when it was
full of youngsters. But it's 500 miles from here.

It's just the same with the office side. They're still using expensive
contract hire duplicators and photo copiers where an office printing setup
via a PC would be more than adequate for their needs. IMHO. But more than
one needs to be capable of using it all.

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In article ,
Laurence Payne wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:16:00 +0000, tony sayer
wrote:

Give Canford Audio a ring,

http://www.canford.co.uk/

They have some very knowledgeable people there in their tech support
dept for that sort of thing....
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I have a terrible suspicion that the budget for this thing is likely
to be around £50. If not - good. Many more options. Can we
confirm?

I've not confirmed this but my figure was more like a max of 10 times
that. But not the 2 grand or so most decent pro ones start at.

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In article ,
tony sayer wrote:
In article , Dave Plowman (News)
scribeth thus
Strange for me to ask such a question but I've simply got no direct
experience of this end of the market.

My brother is an elder of the kirk and they need a replacement body
pack radio mic. Just for the minister. These days they wander round the
kirk rather than remaining in the pulpit. ;-) One which you popped into
a charger after use would be ideal - it's only used perhaps three times
a week for about 2 hours each time, and finding someone with reasonable
skills to change batteries on a regular basis isn't that easy. A
separate charger would be better than one in the receiver. It also
needs to have a convenient way of the minister being able to mute it
for hymns - for obvious reasons. Although I'm willing to modify it for
that if it isn't possible. The current one he switches off which isn't
ideal. Although might be ok when moving to the correct frequency. The
current one is VHF.


Give Canford Audio a ring,

http://www.canford.co.uk/

They have some very knowledgeable people there in their tech support
dept for that sort of thing....

I was hoping someone here I knew had direct experience of the use intended.
It's not opinion like the difference between LP and CD - I just need solid
reliable build and reasonable performance.

They've had recommended clerical experts in to give specs and quotes - and
after the lighting and heating fiascos (which I helped sort out) they've
sort of lost their appeal. Sadly all these types want their (large) slice
of the cake and value for money is what I'm trying to help provide. The
congregation can and will raise what's needed - but some 'pros' in this
field are as happy to rip off a church as any other.

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In article ,
Laurence Payne wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:16:00 +0000, tony sayer
wrote:

Give Canford Audio a ring,

http://www.canford.co.uk/

They have some very knowledgeable people there in their
tech support dept for that sort of thing....
--

I have a terrible suspicion that the budget for this
thing is likely to be around £50. If not - good. Many
more options. Can we confirm?

I've not confirmed this but my figure was more like a max
of 10 times that. But not the 2 grand or so most decent
pro ones start at.

Our lash-up is about 1 grand. 2 grand would get you near the high end stuff
that is used in high end venues like legitimate theatres in large cities,
big rock acts on the road, etc. Probably what is used in TV production at
the BCC level, etc.

You could slide one notch down from Shure SLX to PGX and use a standard lav
instead of a headset mic and be in the ballpark.

Check out the off-the-shelf complete Shure systems at Canford or the like.
You still get UHF and diversity and reasonable battery life.

In article ,
Laurence Payne wrote:
I wouldn't recommend rechargeable batteries, for several reasons. And
with 2-hour sessions you're going to need a replacement schedule, not
just "change when the light goes dim".
The very worst life on pro ones I've used are the Sennheiser which give
about 4 hours on two AAAs. But these are designed to be as small as
possible - not a priority here. Something which used 4 AA rechargeables
should be good for 8 or so hours. Microns do about 8 hours on one PP3
alkaline. But of course once we go digital up goes the power consumption.

I suggest the mic becomes the
ministers personal responsibility. He's the one who really CARES if
he's heard, after all. And he's not an idiot.

Not an idiot but rather lacking in technical skills. I know it's hard to
believe, but some just simply haven't. My brother could easily take charge
of routine replacement of rechargeables say every few months - but not
changing batteries for every service.

Remember everyone on here can use a computer. And probably re-tune their
FreeView box etc when needed. But you'd be surprised just how many elderly
can't.

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In article ,
Arny Krueger wrote:
The last set I purchased for my church was a Shure SLX system which we
use with a Countryman E6 microphone.

I'll have a look at that.

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In article
, Arny
Krueger wrote:
The last set I purchased for my church was a Shure SLX
system which we use with a Countryman E6 microphone.

I'll have a look at that.

I would recommend a standard Shure miniature Lav instead of the E6, as the
E6 tends to be adjustement and maintenance intensive.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in
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Not an idiot but rather lacking in technical skills.

Not unusual among churchmen of middle age and older.

I
know it's hard to believe, but some just simply haven't.
My brother could easily take charge of routine
replacement of rechargeables say every few months - but
not changing batteries for every service.

Figure on a battery change every 2 hours of actual use, to be on the safe
side.

IME rechargables are more complex for people to manage than the standard use
and pitch types.

Leading source of lack of predictabiliy of battery state is the transmitter
being inadevertanly left on.

"Laurence Payne"
"Dave Plowman (News)"


My brother is an elder of the kirk

I suggest the mic becomes the
ministers personal responsibility. He's the one who really CARES if
he's heard, after all. And he's not an idiot.


** ROTFL !!

Dave's brother is likely to be the biggest IDIOT on earth.

Stupidity and ASD runs in families you know !!!




..... Phi

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"Laurence Payne"
"Dave Plowman (News)"


My brother is an elder of the kirk

I suggest the mic becomes the
ministers personal responsibility. He's the one who
really CARES if he's heard, after all. And he's not an
idiot.


** ROTFL !!

Dave's brother is likely to be the biggest IDIOT on earth.

Stupidity and ASD runs in families you know !!!

Unfortunately, so does bipolar personality disorder...