Keith G said...

Most famously, this policy led to the invention of
the phrase "sticky-backed plastic" back in the 1970s

Usual Wiki rubbish, they were using that phrase in the early 60's.

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UnsteadyKen wrote:
Keith G said...

Most famously, this policy led to the invention of
the phrase "sticky-backed plastic" back in the 1970s

Usual Wiki rubbish, they were using that phrase in the early 60's.


Indeed. It came from Blue Peter - in those days the BBC didn't use trade
names. They used to have special packaging made up for in shot drama use -
cornflakes would be branded Acme rather than Kellogg. A TV etc would have
the name taped over.

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*Why is 'abbreviation' such a long word?

Dave Plowman London SW
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Keith G wrote:

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Keith G wrote:
To me, 'high definition' audio is a good record played with a good
needle on good kit (preferably vinyl, triodes and Lowthers) like this
clip which was recorded with the camera's built-in mic:

So you've


'So you'?


learned nothing on your break from posting here?


Oh, I'm afraid I have....

Perhaps. Not as regards audio, though.

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"Keith G" wrote in message



What, because you are buying an expensive 2K PJ?

Because its a good tool for the purpose?



WTF has that got to do with anything....???




I've got two here already but 'domestically priced'
(resolution doesn't go up with the price tag), so I'm
sorry to say I disagree - looks to me like you've been
Googling like a mad thing!

I could write quite a bit about the difference between home/boardroom
projectors and large venue projectors.



Based on what personal experience of either one - of what use would be what
you wrote, if you had none?



But someone who is into 2K wide
projectors could probably do it even better.


You mean with personal experience? Of Course!

My own experience is with only the following 'Home Theatre' PJs which I have
personally bought:


2 x 480p Panasonic AE100
2 x 480p BenQ W100
1 x 480p Infocus IN72
1 x 576 Hewlett Packard EPsummat or other
2 x 720p Optoma HD700
2 x 1080p Optoma HD200 ('2K wide' as you call it)
1 x 1080p Optoma HD800 ('2K wide' as you call it)


(You know - 'dirty hands' and all that! ;-)

No personal experience of commercial Cinema/Theatre PJs whatsoever (no
access), but I would be interested to hear where you think the 'magical
differences' between them come in - other than contruction differences and
optimisation for contunual operation, naturally....

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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Keith G wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Keith G wrote:
To me, 'high definition' audio is a good record played with a good
needle on good kit (preferably vinyl, triodes and Lowthers) like this
clip which was recorded with the camera's built-in mic:

So you've


'So you'?


learned nothing on your break from posting here?


Oh, I'm afraid I have....

Perhaps. Not as regards audio, though.



Gone a little early with the snot-flicking, haven't you?





*Corduroy pillows are making headlines.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"UnsteadyKen" wrote in message
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Keith G said...

Most famously, this policy led to the invention of
the phrase "sticky-backed plastic" back in the 1970s

Usual Wiki rubbish, they were using that phrase in the early 60's.



My understanding is that it meant Sellotape - I don't recall seeing that
much Fablon in that programme (??) but then I didn't watch it!!

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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UnsteadyKen wrote:
Keith G said...

Most famously, this policy led to the invention of
the phrase "sticky-backed plastic" back in the 1970s

Usual Wiki rubbish, they were using that phrase in the early 60's.


Indeed. It came from Blue Peter - in those days the BBC didn't use trade
names. They used to have special packaging made up for in shot drama use -
cornflakes would be branded Acme rather than Kellogg. A TV etc would have
the name taped over.



I think if I go back to monitoring the fornight-long silences here (before
the recent vinyl storm) we'd be seeing a lot less from any number of posters
here? Am I not right?

I like also that 'on and off topic' posts seem to be randomly *on and off*
the menu....??

;-)



*Why is 'abbreviation' such a long word?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Keith G" wrote

No personal experience of commercial Cinema/Theatre PJs whatsoever (no
access), but I would be interested to hear where you think the 'magical
differences' between them come in - other than contruction differences and
optimisation for contunual operation, naturally....

Build quality, reliability, light output, etc. are all far better on the
commercial unit. But also, crucially, these projectors have "DCI
conformance". "DCI" stands for "Digital Cinema Initiative" and *only* DCI
conforming projectors can be used for digital cinema. Other projectors,
however good, simply will not work with a digital cinema server and thus
cannot be used to show digital cinema product.

David.

"David Looser" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote

No personal experience of commercial Cinema/Theatre PJs whatsoever (no
access), but I would be interested to hear where you think the 'magical
differences' between them come in - other than contruction differences
and optimisation for contunual operation, naturally....

Build quality, reliability, light output, etc. are all far better on the
commercial unit.



Yes, of course - wouldn't have expected anything else.



But also, crucially, these projectors have "DCI
conformance". "DCI" stands for "Digital Cinema Initiative" and *only* DCI
conforming projectors can be used for digital cinema. Other projectors,
however good, simply will not work with a digital cinema server and thus
cannot be used to show digital cinema product.



There ya go - now I have learned something, albeit a tad out of my 'need to
know' zone. but thank you for that!

Loosely connected, you may be interested to know that I recent saw a passing
mention that the 4K 'Red' digital movie cameras are not all they are/were
cracked up to be - poor colour control being one major gripe, I recall:

http://www.red.com/


Cutting edge, this commercial gigital cinema ****....

"Keith G" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message



What, because you are buying an expensive 2K PJ?

Because its a good tool for the purpose?



WTF has that got to do with anything....???

The obvious meaning of that statement Keith is that you don't believe in
using good tools for a given purpose. I can live with that - its not a
disingenuous thing for you to say.


I've got two here already but 'domestically priced'
(resolution doesn't go up with the price tag), so I'm
sorry to say I disagree - looks to me like you've been
Googling like a mad thing!

I could write quite a bit about the difference between
home/boardroom projectors and large venue projectors.

Based on what personal experience of either one - of what
use would be what you wrote, if you had none?

What if I had experience with any number of home/boardroom projectors and
large venue projectors? I do.

But someone who is into 2K wide
projectors could probably do it even better.

You mean with personal experience? Of Course!

As you have so kind as to detail below Keith you have zero experience with
large venue projectors.

My own experience is with only the following 'Home
Theatre' PJs which I have personally bought:

2 x 480p Panasonic AE100
2 x 480p BenQ W100
1 x 480p Infocus IN72
1 x 576 Hewlett Packard EPsummat or other
2 x 720p Optoma HD700
2 x 1080p Optoma HD200 ('2K wide' as you call it)
1 x 1080p Optoma HD800 ('2K wide' as you call it)

True, not a large venue projector in the bunch. Most are sub-$1,000
products. Some would call them "throw-aways". There's a word that
well-describes people who can't settle on a product for long - dilettante.

No personal experience of commercial Cinema/Theatre PJs
whatsoever (no access), but I would be interested to hear
where you think the 'magical differences' between them
come in - other than contruction differences and
optimisation for contunual operation, naturally....

Why would a projector designed for home use not be optimized for continual
operation?

There are no magical differences between home/boardroom projectors and large
venue projectors. It is all very straightforward technology.

Large venue projectors are designed to be fail safe, and thus may have
reliability features such as dual bulbs so a hot spare is always available.
Many of them are designed to be mounted in remote locations, and so the
adjustments that are commonly manual on home/boardroom projectors are
motorized. Also, large venue projectors have lumen outputs in the
5,000-10,000 range, which is double or triple that of the largest
home/boardroom projectors. In addition, projectors that are used to show
current feature films may have security and anti-piracy features.