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Old November 24th 10, 11:53 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
Keith G[_2_]
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Something I have been wondering about is adding reverb to recordings.

This:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/shown...octurne%20.wav

is a recent effort of Swimbo on the alto that I rather like but without any
reverb applied. Would anyone consider reverb to be necessary in this
instance? I do rather get the impression that some people consider a little
reverb to be essential on just about everything..??

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Old November 24th 10, 12:20 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
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Keith G wrote:

Something I have been wondering about is adding reverb to recordings.

This:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/shown...octurne%20.wav

is a recent effort of Swimbo on the alto that I rather like but without
any reverb applied. Would anyone consider reverb to be necessary in this
instance? I do rather get the impression that some people consider a
little reverb to be essential on just about everything..??


I like it as is.

It might be interesting though to hear it with / without reverb to
compare the two.

Well, I tried it [via Amadeus] with echo / reverb / ambience and each
has it's own points. A slight reverb/ambience effect does seem to enhance.

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Old November 24th 10, 02:41 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Keith G[_2_]
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"David Kennedy" wrote in message
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Keith G wrote:

Something I have been wondering about is adding reverb to recordings.

This:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/shown...octurne%20.wav

is a recent effort of Swimbo on the alto that I rather like but without
any reverb applied. Would anyone consider reverb to be necessary in this
instance? I do rather get the impression that some people consider a
little reverb to be essential on just about everything..??


I like it as is.

It might be interesting though to hear it with / without reverb to compare
the two.



OK. I added a little reverb called 'Bright Hall' to it and I also like that
(see below). Unfortunately SoudForge is a little kludgy when it comes to
this sort of thing but it seems to remain within the realms of good taste to
me! (?)

Here they both are for a back to back for easy comparison:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/shown...octurne%20.wav

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/shown...ght%20Hall.wav



Well, I tried it [via Amadeus] with echo / reverb / ambience and each has
it's own points. A slight reverb/ambience effect does seem to enhance.



I think a little reverb flatters most music but worry this is injecting a
deliberate distortion into the recording/reproduction chain that we see so
much fuss about when it comes to stuff like the 'effects' of using valve
equipment in a recirding situation....??



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Old November 24th 10, 03:17 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
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"Keith G" wrote in message
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OK. I added a little reverb called 'Bright Hall' to it and I also like
that (see below). Unfortunately SoudForge is a little kludgy when it comes
to this sort of thing but it seems to remain within the realms of good
taste to me! (?)

Here they both are for a back to back for easy comparison:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/shown...octurne%20.wav

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/shown...ght%20Hall.wav


Total layman here but to me the first sounds like a better recording and the
second sounds like a better musician.
I know you only added a little reverb but I think just a little less would
be good.

D


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Old November 24th 10, 03:31 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
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OK. I added a little reverb called 'Bright Hall' to it and I also like
that (see below). Unfortunately SoudForge is a little kludgy when it comes
to this sort of thing but it seems to remain within the realms of good
taste to me! (?)

Here they both are for a back to back for easy comparison:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/shown...octurne%20.wav

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/shown...ght%20Hall.wav


Total layman here but to me the first sounds like a better recording and the
second sounds like a better musician.


People have become accustomed to effects of every kind. There is very
little straight recording these days.

I know you only added a little reverb but I think just a little less would
be good.





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Old November 25th 10, 07:22 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
Iain Churches[_2_]
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"David Kennedy" wrote in message
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People have become accustomed to effects of every kind. There is very
little straight recording these days.


That is certainly true of pop music, where first impressions of a studio
are often based upon number of outboard racks full of equipment, and
not by the skill of the personnel involved in the recording.

The above said, I would tend to disagree with your assertion on
a broader basis. Most classical recordings (large and small)
are made "straight", and with as few mics as possible to achieve
the desired sound. There is more interest in the "purist" approach
now than there has even been.

Iain



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Old November 24th 10, 04:03 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Keith G[_2_]
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"David" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message
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OK. I added a little reverb called 'Bright Hall' to it and I also like
that (see below). Unfortunately SoudForge is a little kludgy when it
comes to this sort of thing but it seems to remain within the realms of
good taste to me! (?)

Here they both are for a back to back for easy comparison:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/shown...octurne%20.wav

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/shown...ght%20Hall.wav


Total layman here but to me the first sounds like a better recording and
the second sounds like a better musician.




Which further fuels the argument that the original performance is not
necessarily the deciding factor in how the final product will sound and
which is why I don't take 'distortion' claims too much to heart.


I know you only added a little reverb but I think just a little less would
be good.



I don't have the skill of knowledge to be able to create reverb settings
manually.



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Old November 25th 10, 07:15 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
Iain Churches[_2_]
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"Keith G" wrote in message
...

"David" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message
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OK. I added a little reverb called 'Bright Hall' to it and I also like
that (see below). Unfortunately SoudForge is a little kludgy when it
comes to this sort of thing but it seems to remain within the realms of
good taste to me! (?)

Here they both are for a back to back for easy comparison:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/shown...octurne%20.wav

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/shown...ght%20Hall.wav


Total layman here but to me the first sounds like a better recording and
the second sounds like a better musician.




Which further fuels the argument that the original performance is not
necessarily the deciding factor in how the final product will sound and
which is why I don't take 'distortion' claims too much to heart.



Morning Keith.

Hmm.- Interesting point, except that the original
performance can be viewed as a step to the final
product and not the final product itself. You could
regard the original as the equivalent of a pre-production
master if you like, which still requires a little reverb/sweetening.

I don't have the skill of knowledge to be able to create reverb settings
manually.


Most digital reverb units also have a large variety of
presets so that you don't have to worry about manual
settings if you don't want to. The presets also include
EQ so you don't have to think about that either,

It is good practice when adding reverb to listen
at both high and low levels and err on the side
of too little. I usually roll off the LF (low frequency)
return from the reverb, to prevent it sounding muddy.
There is not much down there which is of use to you.

A good-sounding trick is to separate the original (dry)
signal from the reverb by using a short pre-delay.
The effect is difficult to describe on words, but the
separation is rather like bouncing the reverb off a
wall before it comes back to you. Keep the reverb
pre-delay short, or it starts to sound contrived.

In a non-classical recording you can use cross-over
reverb (with the short pre-delay metioned above)
and bring it back to the opposite side of the stereo picture.
So that (for instance) trumpets on the left could have their
reverb brought back to the RH monitor, and saxophones
on the right could have their different- shorter, brighter
reverb brought back to the left.

Cheers
Iain



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Old November 24th 10, 03:29 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
David Kennedy
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Keith G wrote:

"David Kennedy" wrote in
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Keith G wrote:

Something I have been wondering about is adding reverb to recordings.

This:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/shown...octurne%20.wav

is a recent effort of Swimbo on the alto that I rather like but without
any reverb applied. Would anyone consider reverb to be necessary in this
instance? I do rather get the impression that some people consider a
little reverb to be essential on just about everything..??


I like it as is.

It might be interesting though to hear it with / without reverb to
compare the two.



OK. I added a little reverb called 'Bright Hall' to it and I also like
that (see below). Unfortunately SoudForge is a little kludgy when it
comes to this sort of thing but it seems to remain within the realms of
good taste to me! (?)

Here they both are for a back to back for easy comparison:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/shown...octurne%20.wav

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/shown...ght%20Hall.wav


That's it. As you say it does work but you do have to be careful not to
over do it.



Well, I tried it [via Amadeus] with echo / reverb / ambience and each
has it's own points. A slight reverb/ambience effect does seem to
enhance.



I think a little reverb flatters most music but worry this is injecting
a deliberate distortion into the recording/reproduction chain that we
see so much fuss about when it comes to stuff like the 'effects' of
using valve equipment in a recirding situation....??


True. But, the reverb [or what ever] effect could be achieved by the
room chosen for the recording...


--
David Kennedy

http://www.anindianinexile.com
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Old November 24th 10, 04:12 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Keith G[_2_]
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"David Kennedy" wrote in message
o.uk...
Keith G wrote:



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I think a little reverb flatters most music but worry this is injecting
a deliberate distortion into the recording/reproduction chain that we
see so much fuss about when it comes to stuff like the 'effects' of
using valve equipment in a recirding situation....??


True. But, the reverb [or what ever] effect could be achieved by the room
chosen for the recording...




Yes. The room (ambience) is precisely what the reverb software is trying to
create - hence the silly names on some of the presets like 'Metal Tank' and
'Sewer'!


This one (same player, same instrument, same recording setup):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU4_k...eature=related


.....is the somewhat OTT 'Cathedral' setting, but the interesting thing is
that all the people I have played it to have said they liked it!

 




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