"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
Well, on the odd occasion where long production hours are really
needed, we'd get another crew in to rig and de-rig. Leaving the
production crew fresh for what really matters. Of course you'd need
decent crews that you trust for this - not the one man band you seem
to be oh so familiar with.

Every self respecting team wants to set-up ad break down its own
sessions.

All that means is you don't have enough decent staff.

Strange interpretation. It doesn't mean that at all:-)
Except for location gigs, where the riggers go on ahead,
the same crew wants to see the job through from start to
finish.

The studio
clock is ticking in pounds sterling.

Sounds like it doesn't tick hard enough if you can make people work those
silly hours without it costing so much to make it uneconomical.

It's economic and efficient. I know from frequent
personal experience that your own people are far more
likely to go the extra mile than freelancers do - they have
a different sense of loyalty. And of course people that
works together regularly, develop a team "way of working"
and a cohesion that increasses effiency - before you even ask
the assistant to pull the cello spot back a little, he's out there
doing it.


Iain

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message

Personally, I'd rather be properly paid and buy what I want rather than
relying on gifts.

As a freelancer, I guess you were not even eligible:-)

Iain

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
Just how many funerals do you go to?

:-)

One is expected to dress accordingly when called to a formal
meeting with an important client.

A Motorhead teeshirt, trainers and back-to-front bowling cap
probably wouldn't make the right impression, Dave:-)

I'd say it would depend on the client. Although a 'bowling' cap could well
put anyone off. As could any strange headgear. Perhaps you meant a
baseball cap?

Perhaps I did.

A suit has never impressed me.

Your being impressed is not really relevant.
If you had a post in say senior management in TV, Dave
then I am sure you would behappy to conform:-)

And those who dress up for such an occasion
even less so

As I say, it is probably not in your best interests to go to
meet the board members of an EU cultural foundation
looking like a fast food operative:-)

I'm utterly amazed such things still persist in the recording studio
business. Broadcasting saw the error of this some 40 years ago.


Classical recording is very relaxed, but most things to do do
with international classical events tend to be fairly formal.
There are frequent functions. You might well need your tuxedo,
Dave, on several evenings each month.

Iain

In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
Every self respecting team wants to set-up ad break down its own
sessions.

All that means is you don't have enough decent staff.

Strange interpretation. It doesn't mean that at all:-)
Except for location gigs, where the riggers go on ahead,
the same crew wants to see the job through from start to
finish.

You seem as usual to miss the point. Too long hours just don't result in
the best product. Then there's the distinct possibility of tiredness
causing an accident when driving home. I can only conclude you have no
actual experience of such things if it isn't bleeding obvious even to you.
It's the prime reason for the EU working hours directive.

The studio
clock is ticking in pounds sterling.

Sounds like it doesn't tick hard enough if you can make people work
those silly hours without it costing so much to make it uneconomical.

It's economic and efficient. I know from frequent
personal experience that your own people are far more
likely to go the extra mile than freelancers do - they have
a different sense of loyalty. And of course people that
works together regularly, develop a team "way of working"
and a cohesion that increasses effiency - before you even ask
the assistant to pull the cello spot back a little, he's out there
doing it.

Your 'own people' and 'freelancers'? Yet again you show your experience is
of one horse outfits. With experience you find freelances you trust like
staff - or frequently more so. ;-) These days staff can be those who
couldn't cut it in the freelance world. How many of the best current
recording engineers are staff anywhere?

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Dave Plowman London SW
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In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
Personally, I'd rather be properly paid and buy what I want rather than
relying on gifts.

As a freelancer, I guess you were not even eligible:-)

I take it you have no idea of my long and varied career details?

But I'll give you a clue. I have a very nice final salary related
pension...

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Dave Plowman London SW
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In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
I'd say it would depend on the client. Although a 'bowling' cap could
well put anyone off. As could any strange headgear. Perhaps you meant
a baseball cap?

Perhaps I did.

A suit has never impressed me.

Your being impressed is not really relevant.
If you had a post in say senior management in TV, Dave
then I am sure you would behappy to conform:-)

I never had any interest in going into management, Iain. Enjoyed my job
too much. And all too frequently saw those who did regret doing so.

And those who dress up for such an occasion
even less so

As I say, it is probably not in your best interests to go to
meet the board members of an EU cultural foundation
looking like a fast food operative:-)

I'm not quite sure what a fast food operative looks like. I don't frequent
such places. No need with the wealth of restaurants round here and
elsewhere. If pressed for time, I'd rather buy a decent sandwich and fruit
juice from a supermarket than use such places.
However, I suppose I have seen them on TV. Is that how *you* dress when
not in a suit? You'd get some strange looks if you turned up for work
dressed like that in TV. But maybe some orders. Do you arrive on a moped
with box on the back too?

But why would I meet with such people anyway? I've never ever had to go
'cap in hand' looking for work.

I'm utterly amazed such things still persist in the recording studio
business. Broadcasting saw the error of this some 40 years ago.


Classical recording is very relaxed, but most things to do do
with international classical events tend to be fairly formal.
There are frequent functions. You might well need your tuxedo,
Dave, on several evenings each month.

So just a different uniform?

I still have a 'Multi-coloured Swapshop' T-shirt somewhere. Along with
hundreds of similar. Would they do?

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Dave Plowman London SW
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In article , Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:
In article , Iain Churches
wrote:
Every self respecting team wants to set-up ad break down its own
sessions.

All that means is you don't have enough decent staff.

Strange interpretation. It doesn't mean that at all:-) Except for
location gigs, where the riggers go on ahead, the same crew wants to
see the job through from start to finish.

You seem as usual to miss the point. Too long hours just don't result in
the best product.

No experience of this in audio. But when I first starting working in a uni
astrophysics groups the 'group ethos' was that when you had a week on a
telescope you all worked 24 hours a day every day all though, or as near as
you could physically force yourself to manage. The idea was that time was
costly and anyone who couldn't do this was a wimp who couldn't work hard
enough.

One trip observing showed what lunacy (carefully chosen term :-) ) this
was. After three or four of days of people cat-napping, etc it became
obvious they were all making countless mistakes and foul-ups[1]. I got flak
for simply refusing to work in the same way... until I got more and better
results that the people who were trying to show they were 'men of iron'.

FWIW I also rapidly got sick of the way some seniour staff used students as
'robots' and I proceeded to automate data collection. Same reason as above.
Less effort + better results.

Slainte,

Jim

[1] My favourite was when someone melted a line scar down the inside of an
aluminimum dome because they use the telescope in the daytime with no
visible filter over the primary and focussed the Sun onto the dome walls.
They were too brainless with sleep-deprivation to realise what they were
doing.

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In article ,
Jim Lesurf wrote:

[snip]
One trip observing showed what lunacy (carefully chosen term :-) ) this
was. After three or four of days of people cat-napping, etc it became
obvious they were all making countless mistakes and foul-ups[1]. I got
flak for simply refusing to work in the same way... until I got more and
better results that the people who were trying to show they were 'men of
iron'.

Exactly follows my observations. Other thing is in the music and broadcast
industries these long sessions are often fuelled by drugs - even legal
ones like alcohol. And something which seems great when p***ed rarely does
in the cold grey light of dawn.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Jim Lesurf wrote:

[snip]
One trip observing showed what lunacy (carefully chosen term :-) ) this
was. After three or four of days of people cat-napping, etc it became
obvious they were all making countless mistakes and foul-ups[1]. I got
flak for simply refusing to work in the same way... until I got more and
better results that the people who were trying to show they were 'men of
iron'.

Exactly follows my observations. Other thing is in the music and broadcast
industries these long sessions are often fuelled by drugs - even legal
ones like alcohol. And something which seems great when p***ed rarely does
in the cold grey light of dawn.

Drugs and alcohol?? Gadzooks. Call the coppers!!

Your "observations" Dave probably missed the
scantily-clad teenage girls, and the fifty cartons of
whipped cream:-)

Iain

"Iain Churches" wrote in message

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in
message ...
In article ,
Jim Lesurf wrote:

[snip]
One trip observing showed what lunacy (carefully chosen
term :-) ) this was. After three or four of days of
people cat-napping, etc it became obvious they were all
making countless mistakes and foul-ups[1]. I got flak
for simply refusing to work in the same way... until I
got more and better results that the people who were
trying to show they were 'men of iron'.

Exactly follows my observations. Other thing is in the
music and broadcast industries these long sessions are
often fuelled by drugs - even legal ones like alcohol.
And something which seems great when p***ed rarely does
in the cold grey light of dawn.

Drugs and alcohol?? Gadzooks. Call the coppers!!

Iain misses the point, yet again.