"David Looser" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message
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"David Looser" wrote in message

Make your mind up as to what point you are making. One minute you are
saying that people (nationality not stated) *were* gullible, but aren't
now.


Where am I saying that?

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They are not so gullible these days
unquote


shrug

Different inflections in different contexts or maybe a good old piece of
contradiction?




I'm saying the (Rip Off) Brits are gullible - I don't know about the
rest.
I do know they got their CDs (and petrol) a lot cheaper than we did.

It is easy to label people who buy things that we personally regard as
poor value for money as being "gullible". To me that would be those who
buy Rolex watches, or designer clothes, or expensive branded trainers. But
those people in the main buy those things because, to them, the price is
acceptable. It's not for me to criticise them for spending their own money
in the way they see fit.


No, I'm not buying that - in the UK people will buy stuff at any price and
will put up with 'because we can' price hikes without a murmur. Volvo and
BMW are just two car makers that told their dealer network 'don't discount
your cars, you don't need to in the UK'.

As to watches, I have bought 8 (eight) Rolexes in my time; the only one
remaining is my son's Submariner, I wear Timex these days. Context is
everything - back then they were not 'expensive' for me....


Brits didn't get the choice of whether to buy CDs or petrol at American
prices, in the case of petrol we still don't. So the fact that an item may
be available cheaper elsewhere does NOT make someone gullible for buying
it at the price that it is available for *to them*


Yes, where there is no choice you have no choice; where the gullibility
comes in is where there is choice and the punter gets 'sold' or the items
are so trivial they could be ignored.

"Keith G" wrote

No, I'm not buying that - in the UK people will buy stuff at any price and
will put up with 'because we can' price hikes without a murmur.

Do they? not in my experience they don't!

Volvo and
BMW are just two car makers that told their dealer network 'don't discount
your cars, you don't need to in the UK'.

I don't beleive you, can you provide evidence for that claim?

As to watches, I have bought 8 (eight) Rolexes in my time; the only one
remaining is my son's Submariner, I wear Timex these days. Context is
everything - back then they were not 'expensive' for me....

It's only a watch. There are plenty of excellent watches that cost a
fraction of the price of a Rolex, so why buy one (unless it's to show off
your wealth).

Yes, where there is no choice you have no choice; where the gullibility
comes in is where there is choice and the punter gets 'sold'

And you know all about that do you?

or the items
are so trivial they could be ignored.

"Trivial" is in the mind of the buyer.

David.

"David Looser" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote

No, I'm not buying that - in the UK people will buy stuff at any price
and
will put up with 'because we can' price hikes without a murmur.

Do they? not in my experience they don't!


Yes they do, open your eyes.




Volvo and
BMW are just two car makers that told their dealer network 'don't
discount
your cars, you don't need to in the UK'.

I don't beleive you,


I couldn't care less about that - I have never posted anything here that I
didn't believe was true.


can you provide evidence for that claim?



No and a quick search reveals plenty of places offering discounted BMWs
nowadays. That remark is from a few years back I suppose: I remember there
was a Volvo dealer that got into trouble with Volvo because he was importing
cars from Europe (because the Euros got them a lot cheaper than the soppy
Brits) and selling them at a discounted price. It ended up in the courts and
Volvo lost the day ISTR...??



As to watches, I have bought 8 (eight) Rolexes in my time; the only one
remaining is my son's Submariner, I wear Timex these days. Context is
everything - back then they were not 'expensive' for me....

It's only a watch. There are plenty of excellent watches that cost a
fraction of the price of a Rolex, so why buy one (unless it's to show off
your wealth).


Your understanding of the 'Rolex thing' is on a par with your understanding
of 'high end' vinyl replay.



Yes, where there is no choice you have no choice; where the gullibility
comes in is where there is choice and the punter gets 'sold'

And you know all about that do you?


What does that mean? Sounds a bit snotty to me....

"Keith G" wrote in message
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"David Looser" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote

No, I'm not buying that - in the UK people will buy stuff at any price
and
will put up with 'because we can' price hikes without a murmur.

Do they? not in my experience they don't!


Yes they do, open your eyes.

And you are the expert in this are you?



Volvo and
BMW are just two car makers that told their dealer network 'don't
discount
your cars, you don't need to in the UK'.

I don't beleive you,


I couldn't care less about that - I have never posted anything here that I
didn't believe was true.

I didn't say you didn't believe it, I said I didn't. I note you can offer no
evidence, were you told it by a bloke at the pub or read it in a tabloid
newspaper?



snip

Your understanding of the 'Rolex thing' is on a par with your
understanding of 'high end' vinyl replay.

My understanding of the "Rolex thing" is that it's about status and wealth,
do you dispute that?

Yes, where there is no choice you have no choice; where the gullibility
comes in is where there is choice and the punter gets 'sold'

And you know all about that do you?


What does that mean? Sounds a bit snotty to me....

Only copying your own tone back to you. What is your whole "gullible Brits"
thing if not snottiness on your part?

David.

"David Looser" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message
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"David Looser" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote

No, I'm not buying that - in the UK people will buy stuff at any price
and
will put up with 'because we can' price hikes without a murmur.

Do they? not in my experience they don't!


Yes they do, open your eyes.

And you are the expert in this are you?



Volvo and
BMW are just two car makers that told their dealer network 'don't
discount
your cars, you don't need to in the UK'.

I don't beleive you,


I couldn't care less about that - I have never posted anything here that
I didn't believe was true.

I didn't say you didn't believe it, I said I didn't.


And I said I couldn't care less.


I note you can offer no
evidence, were you told it by a bloke at the pub or read it in a tabloid
newspaper?


Unlikely, I don't do either....





snip

Your understanding of the 'Rolex thing' is on a par with your
understanding of 'high end' vinyl replay.

My understanding of the "Rolex thing" is that it's about status and
wealth, do you dispute that?


'Fraid so....




Yes, where there is no choice you have no choice; where the gullibility
comes in is where there is choice and the punter gets 'sold'

And you know all about that do you?


What does that mean? Sounds a bit snotty to me....

Only copying your own tone back to you. What is your whole "gullible
Brits" thing if not snottiness on your part?


When US Dollars = Euros = Pounds Sterling I say the gullible Brits are being
taken to the cleaners. Happens all the time - sorry if you think that sounds
snotty

"Keith G" wrote in message

When US Dollars = Euros = Pounds Sterling I say the gullible Brits are
being taken to the cleaners. Happens all the time - sorry if you think
that sounds snotty


We don't live in a world where commodities sell for the same prices in all
countries. The differences are due to a whole raft of factors, but
significantly due to marketing conditions in each country (such as the
degree of competition and the laws relating to pricing and competition) and
tax differences. Petrol costs a lot more here than it does in the US simply
due to the far larger tax take on it here (and if you think no one has
complained about that you must have been asleep for the last decade or so).
And whilst in many cases US prices are lower than ours many other countries
have higher prices than we do.

What these different prices do *not* depend on is the degree of gullibility
of different populations, and to suggest that it does is offensively
ridiculous


David.

"David Looser" wrote in message
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My understanding of the "Rolex thing" is that it's about status and
wealth.

Others might say it is an interest in quality, an appreciation
of the finer things in life:-)

Rolex is the best known quality watch but there are
others, more exclusive and far more expensive.
Vacheron Constantin is a name that comes to mind.

For the same reason people choose to buy at suit
from Gieves and Hawkes when they could get
something at 1/20th the price off the peg from
a high street shop.

Once you have owned a Gieves and Hawkes suit,
it is unlikely you will ever settle for anything
less. The same goes for Church's shoes.

Iain

"Iain Churches" wrote in message
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"David Looser" wrote in message
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My understanding of the "Rolex thing" is that it's about status and
wealth.

Others might say it is an interest in quality, an appreciation
of the finer things in life:-)

At what point does "an appreciation of the finer things in life" roll over
into a desire to show off your "appreciation of the finer things in life";
to show that you own objects with the 'right' brand names on them. A watch
is something that you carry about with you, that is visible to those who you
come into contact with, so it looks to me to be well onto the show-off side
of that equation. Where there is a qualitative difference between a
"quality" item and a cheaper one then maybe there is something in the
argument you put forward. But as I've said before a Rolex is just a watch,
it works no better and looks no better than one at a fraction of the price.


David.

"Iain Churches" wrote in message
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"David Looser" wrote in message
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My understanding of the "Rolex thing" is that it's about status and
wealth.

Others might say it is an interest in quality, an appreciation
of the finer things in life:-)


Mr Looser thinks that people who get a lift from owning/wearing a Rolex
actually give a damn about what Joe Snot might think of it. My son loves his
Rolex - the bloody thing cost over 400 quid for a service last year!!



Once you have owned a Gieves and Hawkes suit,
it is unlikely you will ever settle for anything
less. The same goes for Church's shoes.


I've got two pairs (original boxes) in a cupboard - virtually *unused*!

On 28/01/2011 20:54, Keith G wrote:

As to watches, I have bought 8 (eight) Rolexes in my time; the only one
remaining is my son's Submariner, I wear Timex these days. Context is
everything - back then they were not 'expensive' for me....

It's only a watch. There are plenty of excellent watches that cost a
fraction of the price of a Rolex, so why buy one (unless it's to show
off your wealth).


Your understanding of the 'Rolex thing' is on a par with your
understanding of 'high end' vinyl replay.

A Rolex is for impressing the punters. It won't impress anyone who knows
about watches.

And now for a difficult decision - what shall I wear today?
The Omega, Ulysse Nardin, Cartier, J.W. Benson or Longines?
Or maybe the Swatch as I put a new battery in it this week.

--
Eiron.