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"David Looser" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message
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"David Looser" wrote


I'm not happy at using a change in format as the way to make this
communication, especially if that leaves CD as the "junk" format
destined to carry all the over-compressed rubbish. CD is a good format,
I don't want to see it thrown away that way.


CD is not a good format other than as a disposable one-time 'carrier';

Hardly "one-time", CD is a robust medium.


Not what I was alluding to - I meant fine to use once, to get the music into
your 'digital library'. There's absolutely no way I'd bugger about finding
and feeding in a CD if I had it on mass storage where I could find it in a
heartbeat without getting off my arse and click 'play all' or what ever the
equivalent on these new music servers.



it has been superceded by mass storage of 'virtual music' on hard disks
and soon, when the prices drop, large SS storage devices

Mass storage is useless for selling and transporting and individual
albums.

with cards and sticks for portability.

Which are far more expensive.


As the Yanks say: 'do the math' - ignoring the effort, how does the storage
work out with so many files on a hard disk comparesd with the equivalent
amount od CD/CDRs?

Then there's the shuffling and searching for the music you want - it would
be less effort to slip an LP on! :-)


Even the players are been rendered obsolete by the minute playback
devices available today.

You mean like turntables were 25 years ago?


Yes, exactly like. CD players will still be cherished by CD fans and there
will be opportunities to pick up some seriously 'high end' stuff for cheap,
in the near future.

I don't think CDs or LPs will ever die out, but I suspect the LP would
outlive the other - off in the mists of time...



The way I see it is, popping CD disks into a player, is an antiquated
practice like playing vinyl but without the extra benefits you get from
vinyl - the better sound,

Hah! Quite why some people continue to insist that a *manifestly* poorer
quality medium sounds "better" is a mystery only a psychologist could
answer.


Maybe so, but does it matter?

Why do some people prefer French Mustard?



Is this compression you are complaining about limited (scuse the pun) to
'heavy' modern pop or is it all over the whole range of music on offer
today? Because if it is, what's the problem? Surely no-one here buys that
sort of stuff, do they?

Well I don't. But plenty has been posted here by both Iain and Jim about
overly compressed CDs.

Modern 'american idol style' *belter* songs are only for the boombox or
car player, surely?


I've no idea what "american idol style' belter songs" sound like.


You are lucky - my other (musician) half watches it. Once in a while there's
something worth hearing, but that's not very often. They were doing Beatles
numbers a few days ago (recorded - no idea when it went out) and it was a
real treat.

Those Beatles numbers get better, the older I get! ;-)



And I
never listen to music in the car.


I have it on but find I'm not really listening to it.


Come to that I hardly ever do on my
kitchen "boombox" either (both are more-or-less permanently tuned to Radio
4) so I'm probably not the person to ask.


Fair enough.

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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message


But that what this group does - try anything to do with
the enjoyment of 'hifi' per se and the sounds you get
from it and it soon gets ****ed on by a small group of
smartarses* who think they have got the all the answers
'in the numbers' and who start braying 'you can't alter
the laws of physics' or somesuch.

Contrary to your peculiar beliefs Keith, almost everybody these days
manages to enjoy hifi without messing with tubes or vinyl.

I would venture to suggest that among the high
end systems owned by serious listeners, vinyl
and valves (not tubes, Arny this is a UK group)
feature very strongly.

Iain

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"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
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Twas ever thus with voodoo priests and other members of the tribe of
wizards and wearers of Big Hats. ;-

The only wearers of Big Hats in recording and broadscast in
this part of the world are those with Doctorates, like yourself, Jim.


http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgur...:429,r:5 ,s:0


There are plenty of them, both technical and musical.
Charming people, always with plenty to say, but often not
very good at actual doing anything at a practical level:-)

I can't think of one whom I would entrust to set up a
studio or plug up a console, and conduct a sound
check before a concert. It would all be over, and the
audience would be streaming out on their way home
by the time all channels were working:-((

Iain

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In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:

I would venture to suggest that among the high end systems owned by
serious listeners, vinyl and valves (not tubes, Arny this is a UK group)
feature very strongly.

I would venture to suggest that different people can and do choose the
meaning they ascribe to "high end systems" in almost any way that suits
them. :-)

Slainte,

Jim

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In article , Iain Churches
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"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
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Twas ever thus with voodoo priests and other members of the tribe of
wizards and wearers of Big Hats. ;-

The only wearers of Big Hats in recording and broadscast in this part of
the world are those with Doctorates, like yourself, Jim.

You seem to be becoming more personal and offensive Iain. Your inclusion of
"like yourself" does seem that way. Is there some specific reason for this?

How have you established that *none* of the said types have no 'Doctorate'?
That would surprise me. I assume you are not saying that *all* of the
people producing heavily compressed pop music have PhDs?

Must admit I'm also amused by the idea that I might think that a Doctorate
means much in this one way or another. My experience in other areas is that
there are those with 'Doctorates' who I would not employ for any reason.
Whilst there are others (both with and without) that I'd leap to employ.

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgur...:429,r:5 ,s:0

I think I can safely say that's the longest URL I've ever seen in a
newsposting. :-)


I can't think of one whom I would entrust to set up a studio or plug up
a console, and conduct a sound check before a concert. It would all be
over, and the audience would be streaming out on their way home by the
time all channels were working:-((

I have to judge individuals by the results of their work and their shown
abilities. So rather than caring about 'Doctorates' I'd judge them on the
basis of the recordings they release. Nor would I accept whatever they told
me without evidence, or evidence they say they have but is 'secret' so I
have to take their word for it. If you use a different basis, that is your
right.

BTW maybe you don't know the background behind the reference to 'Big Hats'.
It isn't just a matter of 'Doctorates' or being a 'wizard'. It also came
from the military comment. "If you can't fight, wear a big hat".

And, as previously, you keep persisting in assuming my earlier comments
were about everyone in audio. I've already said (repeatedly) this wasn't
the case. I was quite specifically talking just about those who level
compress and clip to death *without any evidence we can examine* to support
the beliefs you ascribe to them. I'm afraid it isn't of much use to try and
attack me for daring to talk about this if you can't present evidence, or
even understand what I've written.

Slainte,

Jim

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"Iain Churches" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message


But that what this group does - try anything to do with
the enjoyment of 'hifi' per se and the sounds you get
from it and it soon gets ****ed on by a small group of
smartarses* who think they have got the all the answers
'in the numbers' and who start braying 'you can't alter
the laws of physics' or somesuch.

Contrary to your peculiar beliefs Keith, almost
everybody these days manages to enjoy hifi without
messing with tubes or vinyl.

I would venture to suggest that among the high
end systems owned by serious listeners, vinyl
and valves (not tubes, Arny this is a UK group)
feature very strongly.

Venture all you want. Its no secret that the US has more investment in high
end audio than either the UK or the entirety of Scandinavia, and not by a
little.

IME serious listeners don't care nearly as much about equipment as pseudo
technical dilettantes.