In article ,
Keith G wrote:
One day Joe Ordinaire will wake up to the fact that 'digital' has done
him no real favours - especially when it comes to music.

That comment simply says you have no grasp of the issues.

Digital recording made a huge difference to vinyl - for a start. Ended the
need for direct cut recordings where the very best results were required.

You seem to think analogue means perfection. Perhaps you don't remember
just how poor the average cassette recording was.

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"Keith G" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message


If you are referring to Iain, why do you doubt he has
the expertise?

Because I've been reading his posts for several years.

And, I've been reading your posts for several years more
and know that you lack what it takes to make valid
judgements in this area.


Don't make the mistake of believing a lifetime's
experience (real or imagined) of 'practical audio' and/or
a degree of technical 'knowledge' are any substitute for
common sense and good instincts....
;-)

I wouldn't claim any unique grounding in common sense or good instincts, if
I were you.

"Keith G" wrote in message

"Iain Churches" wrote in message
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Two things here.

It is difficult for our amateur church recordist to
come to terms with the fact that there are people
out there who do the job professionally (with formal
training and a lifetime of experience far greater than
his own) and that his church activities are worlds away
from "real" professional commercial recording.

Iain is impossible to convince that volunteer work is only part of what I do
in professional audio.

I think it's to Arny's credit that he has so steadfastly
'walked the walk' as he puts it for so long as a
volunteer but it's my experience in life that a ton of
'volunteer' doesn't make an ounce of the real thing in
the professional world.

The volunteer work hasn't worked against me except on audio conferences
where people often spew mounds of BS, anyway.

Mind you, that said in light of recent events, my fairly
low opinion of even well-meaning 'experts' has only been
reinforced!


The other point is that it must be very difficult indeed
to take part in a British (or Australian) group, while having no
concept of their humour.

Americans haven't made millionaires out of certain British comedians because
they don't get British humor.

In all probabilty, Arny could not see that I was pulling his chain re
Roland/Bosendorfer/Walmart.

As usual Iain, you were just being as objectionable as possible.

Over on the Oz group, they had him running round in circles,

LOL! The Oz group had their hands full simply keeping the group alive.

and on RAO

A group that managed to largely talk themselves out of existence. Iain
clearly has no idea what it was like in its glory days.

the excellent (and *very* English) John Atkinson,
eloquent, intellectual, talented producer, fine
musician, skilled engineer, respected journalist and

More like: ...widely reviled journalist and apologist for a wide variety of
pseudo science for fun and quite a bit of profit...

magazine editor, had Arny changing between dunce and clown cap with
remarkable rapidity.

All figments of Iain's imagination.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Keith G wrote:
One day Joe Ordinaire will wake up to the fact that 'digital' has done
him no real favours - especially when it comes to music.

That comment simply says you have no grasp of the issues.


And yours that you don't see the bigger picture - i.e. past 'plentiful,
cheap crap' which has no real value or long-lasting appeal.



Digital recording made a huge difference to vinyl - for a start. Ended the
need for direct cut recordings where the very best results were required.


Like in photography these days, you can 'Photoshop' any crap into some
semblance of respectability?

See: "But the gain in sound quality was considered worth the trouble. (As
typical commercial Lp releases were cut from fourth-generation analog tape
copies, the improvement in sound offered by eliminating all those layers of
tape and electronics was not illusory.)"

he

http://www.auldworks.com/AESDD/dd1.htm



You seem to think analogue means perfection.


No, but I certainly think good analogue beats digital in anything which
interacts with the human senses.


Perhaps you don't remember
just how poor the average cassette recording was.


No, not really - I never got into them and what I did hear was only on a car
radio/cassette or the kids' cheapo portable cassette decks.

NP. Senor Coconut And His Orchestra 'Behind The Mask' at 45rpm - ********y
'disco' music really, but *stunning* sound quality! :-)

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message

"Iain Churches" wrote in message
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Two things here.

It is difficult for our amateur church recordist to
come to terms with the fact that there are people
out there who do the job professionally (with formal
training and a lifetime of experience far greater than
his own) and that his church activities are worlds away
from "real" professional commercial recording.

Iain is impossible to convince that volunteer work is only part of what I
do in professional audio.


So what work in 'professional audio' do you do or have you done?

Perhaps if you make it crystal clear Iain will be convinced...??

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Keith G" wrote in message


If you are referring to Iain, why do you doubt he has
the expertise?

Because I've been reading his posts for several years.

And, I've been reading your posts for several years more
and know that you lack what it takes to make valid
judgements in this area.


Don't make the mistake of believing a lifetime's
experience (real or imagined) of 'practical audio' and/or
a degree of technical 'knowledge' are any substitute for
common sense and good instincts....
;-)

I wouldn't claim any unique grounding in common sense or good instincts,
if I were you.


Hmm, doubly naughty - first he *presumes* I am claiming to have common sense
and good instincts and secondly he introduces the word 'unique' like I am
claiming to be the *only* one (here?) with common sense and good
instincts...???

"Keith G" wrote

No, but I certainly think good analogue beats digital in anything which
interacts with the human senses.


Do you? what leads you to that conclusion? (apart from blind prejudice, that
is)

I also notice that your post contains a familiar theme of yours, that if
something is easy, popular or cheap it *cannot* be any good. Sounds rather
like snobbery to me.

David.

In article ,
Keith G wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Keith G wrote:
One day Joe Ordinaire will wake up to the fact that 'digital' has done
him no real favours - especially when it comes to music.

That comment simply says you have no grasp of the issues.


And yours that you don't see the bigger picture - i.e. past 'plentiful,
cheap crap' which has no real value or long-lasting appeal.

Don't get what you mean. Although it's certainly true a cheap and cheerful
music centre with a CD will knock spots off a valve Dansette...



Digital recording made a huge difference to vinyl - for a start. Ended
the need for direct cut recordings where the very best results were
required.


Like in photography these days, you can 'Photoshop' any crap into some
semblance of respectability?

Eh?

See: "But the gain in sound quality was considered worth the trouble.
(As typical commercial Lp releases were cut from fourth-generation
analog tape copies, the improvement in sound offered by eliminating all
those layers of tape and electronics was not illusory.)"

he

http://www.auldworks.com/AESDD/dd1.htm

If that's an extract from the URL you've given it's not worth even
glancing at.




You seem to think analogue means perfection.


No, but I certainly think good analogue beats digital in anything which
interacts with the human senses.


Perhaps you don't remember
just how poor the average cassette recording was.


No, not really - I never got into them and what I did hear was only on a
car radio/cassette or the kids' cheapo portable cassette decks.

NP. Senor Coconut And His Orchestra 'Behind The Mask' at 45rpm -
********y 'disco' music really, but *stunning* sound quality! :-)

Wonder what you're on tonight?

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*You can't have everything, where would you put it?*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
David Looser wrote:
"Keith G" wrote

No, but I certainly think good analogue beats digital in anything
which interacts with the human senses.


Do you? what leads you to that conclusion? (apart from blind prejudice,
that is)

My guess is 'analogue' to Keith is purely vinyl. But then he's constantly
said how much better 'SET' valve amps sound than others - so perhaps those
others are classed as digital too by him? A sort of catch all expression
for uncoloured sound reproduction?

I also notice that your post contains a familiar theme of yours, that if
something is easy, popular or cheap it *cannot* be any good. Sounds
rather like snobbery to me.

Could be. Certainly in my experience high cost doesn't necessarily equate
to quality.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Keith G" wrote in message
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message

"Iain Churches" wrote in message
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Two things here.

It is difficult for our amateur church recordist to
come to terms with the fact that there are people
out there who do the job professionally (with formal
training and a lifetime of experience far greater than
his own) and that his church activities are worlds away
from "real" professional commercial recording.

Iain is impossible to convince that volunteer work is only part of what I
do in professional audio.


So what work in 'professional audio' do you do or have you done?

Perhaps if you make it crystal clear Iain will be convinced...??


Perhaps Arny is referring to the schools' music festivals,
about which he made such a song and dance over on RAO.
It turned out that he recorded something like ten esembles an
hour - no rehearsals, no editing.

Professional? Err....
'Nuff said:-)

Iain