On 22/03/2011 11:56, Arny Krueger wrote:
"Keith wrote in message


If you gave me a CD, I would rip it to disk (256K) and
give the CD to the local Heart Shop....

Copyright law violation noted.


Yes, there's a fella on another NG who does this, except he threatens a
little more than make a personal note!

He insisted I destroy all the CDs I'd ripped, rather than give to
charity. Not sure what he was threatening me with - never saw it through
to my knowledge at any rate.

Rob

"Rob" wrote in message
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On 22/03/2011 11:56, Arny Krueger wrote:
"Keith wrote in message


If you gave me a CD, I would rip it to disk (256K) and
give the CD to the local Heart Shop....

Copyright law violation noted.


Yes, there's a fella on another NG who does this, except he threatens a
little more than make a personal note!

He insisted I destroy all the CDs I'd ripped, rather than give to charity.
Not sure what he was threatening me with - never saw it through to my
knowledge at any rate.


Strictly speaking ripping a CD (or an LP for that matter) to a computer,
iPod etc. is a breach of copyright law. However the rights owners recognise
that with the advent of such media libraries people expect to be able to rip
music to them and have let it been known that they regard this as
permissible.

*However* they do expect people to have paid for the material they rip,
either by having bought the CD or LP or paying for a download. If you pass
the source media on to someone else they would expect you to delete the rip.
Not doing so is a clear breach of copyright law. Personally I think that to
be perfectly reasonable, ripping a CD and then passing it on is no better
than downloading without payment.

David.

"David Looser" wrote in message
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"Rob" wrote in message
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On 22/03/2011 11:56, Arny Krueger wrote:
"Keith wrote in message


If you gave me a CD, I would rip it to disk (256K) and
give the CD to the local Heart Shop....

Copyright law violation noted.


Yes, there's a fella on another NG who does this, except he threatens a
little more than make a personal note!

He insisted I destroy all the CDs I'd ripped, rather than give to
charity. Not sure what he was threatening me with - never saw it through
to my knowledge at any rate.


Strictly speaking ripping a CD (or an LP for that matter) to a computer,
iPod etc. is a breach of copyright law. However the rights owners
recognise that with the advent of such media libraries people expect to be
able to rip music to them and have let it been known that they regard this
as permissible.

*However* they do expect people to have paid for the material they rip,
either by having bought the CD or LP or paying for a download. If you pass
the source media on to someone else they would expect you to delete the
rip. Not doing so is a clear breach of copyright law. Personally I think
that to be perfectly reasonable, ripping a CD and then passing it on is no
better than downloading without payment.


OK, how do you feel about having someone else in the room when you are
playing a CD *you* paid for? Do you think they should send a 'listening fee'
to the record company who released the CD?

"Keith G" wrote in message


OK, how do you feel about having someone else in the room
when you are playing a CD *you* paid for?

If it is a private listening for friends and/or family, then it is a
licensed use.

Do you think
they should send a 'listening fee' to the record company
who released the CD?

I already paid!

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Keith G" wrote in message


OK, how do you feel about having someone else in the room
when you are playing a CD *you* paid for?

If it is a private listening for friends and/or family, then it is a
licensed use.

Do you think
they should send a 'listening fee' to the record company
who released the CD?

I already paid!


But do you live on an oil rig?

In article ,
Keith G wrote:
OK, how do you feel about having someone else in the room when you are
playing a CD *you* paid for? Do you think they should send a 'listening
fee' to the record company who released the CD?

Do you know the difference between private and public? The licence details
will tell you.

--
*I believe five out of four people have trouble with fractions. *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 22/03/2011 16:53, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In ,
Keith wrote:
OK, how do you feel about having someone else in the room when you are
playing a CD *you* paid for? Do you think they should send a 'listening
fee' to the record company who released the CD?

Do I know the difference betweenmy arse and a hole in the ground?
Probably not

Fixed your post for you.

"resender" wrote in message
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On 22/03/2011 16:53, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In ,
Keith wrote:
OK, how do you feel about having someone else in the room when you are
playing a CD *you* paid for? Do you think they should send a 'listening
fee' to the record company who released the CD?

Do I know the difference betweenmy arse and a hole in the ground?
Probably not

Fixed your post for you.


:-)

On 22/03/2011 12:35, David Looser wrote:
wrote in message
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On 22/03/2011 11:56, Arny Krueger wrote:
"Keith wrote in message


If you gave me a CD, I would rip it to disk (256K) and
give the CD to the local Heart Shop....

Copyright law violation noted.


Yes, there's a fella on another NG who does this, except he threatens a
little more than make a personal note!

He insisted I destroy all the CDs I'd ripped, rather than give to charity.
Not sure what he was threatening me with - never saw it through to my
knowledge at any rate.


Strictly speaking ripping a CD (or an LP for that matter) to a computer,
iPod etc. is a breach of copyright law. However the rights owners recognise
that with the advent of such media libraries people expect to be able to rip
music to them and have let it been known that they regard this as
permissible.

*However* they do expect people to have paid for the material they rip,
either by having bought the CD or LP or paying for a download. If you pass
the source media on to someone else they would expect you to delete the rip.
Not doing so is a clear breach of copyright law. Personally I think that to
be perfectly reasonable, ripping a CD and then passing it on is no better
than downloading without payment.


Yes, thanks, I knew all of that, with the exception of your moral position.

Rob

"Rob" wrote in message
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On 22/03/2011 11:56, Arny Krueger wrote:
"Keith wrote in message


If you gave me a CD, I would rip it to disk (256K) and
give the CD to the local Heart Shop....

Copyright law violation noted.

Yes, there's a fella on another NG who does this, except
he threatens a little more than make a personal note!

No threats, just an observation.

The point is that the license to listen to the music on the CD is sold with
the CD and inseperable from it.

If you give away or sell the CD, you also give up your licence to listen to
the music.

If you keep the CD then you keep your license to listen to the music, which
you may exercise by listening to a backup of the media, such as the Mp3
file.

He insisted I destroy all the CDs I'd ripped, rather than
give to charity.

That doesn't work, either.

Obviously, there is no copyright police that are going to go around and
check on this.

However, copyright owners have been pretty sucessful at making public
examples of people they select randomly.