On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 15:31:38 +0000, Bill Wright
wrote:

David Looser wrote:

Indeed, I was going to ask J G Miller what he meant by "morals". Its
certainly the case that both World Wars created significant social change
including liberating women from many of the social restrictions that they
had previously suffered from. If J G Miller thinks that giving women more
independence equates to "morals deteriorating badly" then maybe he has a
point!

My dad says VD was a real problem amongst the troops.

You are confusing health with morals.

d

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

After a week of not sleeping more than a few hours a nght, I really
don't care about an ocassional typo. Try it sometime, laying in bed in
pain all night and never going to sleep.

What's up with you then?

Bill

On Saturday, February 11th, 2012, at 14:48:58h +0000,
J. P. Gilliver asked:

(Why do [some] people insist on using that term - anal - for other
people who want to know something they don't, or similar?

Blame it on their indoctrination by Fredian psychoanalysis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anal_fixation

--

"The important thing is to not stop questioning."
-- Albert Einstein

On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 15:45:04 +0000, Bill Wright
wrote:

Don Pearce wrote:
On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 15:26:30 +0000, Bill Wright
wrote:

Don Pearce wrote:
On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 14:42:41 +0000 (UTC), J G Miller
wrote:

On Saturday, February 11th, 2012, at 08:57:40h +0000, Ian Jackson wrote:

I'm sure that, even during the war, British morals remained impeccable!
Actually, and not surprisingly, you will find that morals in the
UKofGB&NI deteroriated badly during the war.

In Ipswich in 1943, an increasing number of complaints were received
about air raid shelters being used for “immoral purposes".
I don't suppose they were any good for much else. And since when was
sex immoral?
Unprotected sex leading to unwanted pregnancies is immoral.


Inconvenient, not immoral.

No it's immoral because the purpose of morality is to establish a
framework that hopefully provides the greatest happiness and well-being
for as many people as possible. I'm well aware that many official
moralities are so seriously perverted that these aims are ignored, but
that's irrelevant to what I'm saying.

Unprotected heterosexual sex is likely to lead to unplanned pregnancies
or abortions. Now surely I don't have to spell out why these events are
likely to reduce the total sum of human happiness?

Other immoral things:
1. Telling people things are immoral because of your own twisted ideas
or sexual hang ups (religious leaders mainly do this one).
2. Drinking and driving.
3. Skiving.
4. Parking in disabled bays when you aren't.
5. Smoking.
6. Selling unnecessary aerials to poor people under the pretext of DSO.
7. Messing around on newsgroups when you've got work to do.
8. Violence.
9. Socialism.

Bill



Purpose of morality? What on earth are you talking about? Morality
isn't a thing with a purpose. It is a set of crystallized prejudices.

As for your list. You are certainly guilty of No. 1. Possibly No. 7
too.

d

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

It also ties in with the issue of when to start toilet training.
Possibly starting too early can cause these problems.

Bill

Whether Freud is still valid is debatable,
It was debatable from the day he started publishing.

Bill

J G Miller wrote:
On Saturday, February 11th, 2012, at 15:23:18h +0000, Bill Wright asked:

Isn't the purpose of reading a newspaper to have your ideas
challenged, and to learn of new things?

So how come you do not buy a copy of Socialist Worker if you want
your ideas challenged?

You make many unwarranted assumptions. This has been one of them.

Bill

Don Pearce wrote:
On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 15:31:38 +0000, Bill Wright
wrote:

David Looser wrote:

Indeed, I was going to ask J G Miller what he meant by "morals". Its
certainly the case that both World Wars created significant social change
including liberating women from many of the social restrictions that they
had previously suffered from. If J G Miller thinks that giving women more
independence equates to "morals deteriorating badly" then maybe he has a
point!
My dad says VD was a real problem amongst the troops.

You are confusing health with morals.

No I'm not. Having VD reduced the efficiency of the man to function as a
soldier. That was immoral.

Bill

Don Pearce wrote:
On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 15:45:04 +0000, Bill Wright
wrote:

Don Pearce wrote:
On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 15:26:30 +0000, Bill Wright
wrote:

Don Pearce wrote:
On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 14:42:41 +0000 (UTC), J G Miller
wrote:

On Saturday, February 11th, 2012, at 08:57:40h +0000, Ian Jackson wrote:

I'm sure that, even during the war, British morals remained impeccable!
Actually, and not surprisingly, you will find that morals in the
UKofGB&NI deteroriated badly during the war.

In Ipswich in 1943, an increasing number of complaints were received
about air raid shelters being used for “immoral purposes".
I don't suppose they were any good for much else. And since when was
sex immoral?
Unprotected sex leading to unwanted pregnancies is immoral.

Inconvenient, not immoral.
No it's immoral because the purpose of morality is to establish a
framework that hopefully provides the greatest happiness and well-being
for as many people as possible. I'm well aware that many official
moralities are so seriously perverted that these aims are ignored, but
that's irrelevant to what I'm saying.

Unprotected heterosexual sex is likely to lead to unplanned pregnancies
or abortions. Now surely I don't have to spell out why these events are
likely to reduce the total sum of human happiness?

Other immoral things:
1. Telling people things are immoral because of your own twisted ideas
or sexual hang ups (religious leaders mainly do this one).
2. Drinking and driving.
3. Skiving.
4. Parking in disabled bays when you aren't.
5. Smoking.
6. Selling unnecessary aerials to poor people under the pretext of DSO.
7. Messing around on newsgroups when you've got work to do.
8. Violence.
9. Socialism.

Bill



Purpose of morality? What on earth are you talking about? Morality
isn't a thing with a purpose. It is a set of crystallized prejudices.
So presumably you don't believe in any morality whatsoever? How would
you feel if someone raped a member of your family, or drunkenly crashed
their car into yours and killed your nearest and dearest?

Your position here is absurd; quite untenable.

As for your list. You are certainly guilty of No. 1.
Most of us are, in truth.

Possibly No. 7
too.
Definitely. Very much so.

Bill

On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 15:53:16 +0000, Bill Wright
wrote:

Don Pearce wrote:
On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 15:31:38 +0000, Bill Wright
wrote:

David Looser wrote:

Indeed, I was going to ask J G Miller what he meant by "morals". Its
certainly the case that both World Wars created significant social change
including liberating women from many of the social restrictions that they
had previously suffered from. If J G Miller thinks that giving women more
independence equates to "morals deteriorating badly" then maybe he has a
point!
My dad says VD was a real problem amongst the troops.

You are confusing health with morals.

No I'm not. Having VD reduced the efficiency of the man to function as a
soldier. That was immoral.


So a broken leg is immoral.

d

On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 15:57:20 +0000, Bill Wright
wrote:

Don Pearce wrote:
On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 15:45:04 +0000, Bill Wright
wrote:

Don Pearce wrote:
On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 15:26:30 +0000, Bill Wright
wrote:

Don Pearce wrote:
On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 14:42:41 +0000 (UTC), J G Miller
wrote:

On Saturday, February 11th, 2012, at 08:57:40h +0000, Ian Jackson wrote:

I'm sure that, even during the war, British morals remained impeccable!
Actually, and not surprisingly, you will find that morals in the
UKofGB&NI deteroriated badly during the war.

In Ipswich in 1943, an increasing number of complaints were received
about air raid shelters being used for “immoral purposes".
I don't suppose they were any good for much else. And since when was
sex immoral?
Unprotected sex leading to unwanted pregnancies is immoral.

Inconvenient, not immoral.
No it's immoral because the purpose of morality is to establish a
framework that hopefully provides the greatest happiness and well-being
for as many people as possible. I'm well aware that many official
moralities are so seriously perverted that these aims are ignored, but
that's irrelevant to what I'm saying.

Unprotected heterosexual sex is likely to lead to unplanned pregnancies
or abortions. Now surely I don't have to spell out why these events are
likely to reduce the total sum of human happiness?

Other immoral things:
1. Telling people things are immoral because of your own twisted ideas
or sexual hang ups (religious leaders mainly do this one).
2. Drinking and driving.
3. Skiving.
4. Parking in disabled bays when you aren't.
5. Smoking.
6. Selling unnecessary aerials to poor people under the pretext of DSO.
7. Messing around on newsgroups when you've got work to do.
8. Violence.
9. Socialism.

Bill



Purpose of morality? What on earth are you talking about? Morality
isn't a thing with a purpose. It is a set of crystallized prejudices.
So presumably you don't believe in any morality whatsoever? How would
you feel if someone raped a member of your family, or drunkenly crashed
their car into yours and killed your nearest and dearest?

Your position here is absurd; quite untenable.

As for your list. You are certainly guilty of No. 1.
Most of us are, in truth.

Possibly No. 7
too.
Definitely. Very much so.

Bill

Ah, the good old fallacy of the excluded middle. Always the first
resort of the extremist.

d