"Mike Tomlinson" wrote in message
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In article , Andy
Burns writes

No, the phases are *NOT* brown, black & black, they are brown, black and
grey - with blue as neutral.

I refer you to the photo I posted a link to elsewhere.

You seem to think that your photos prove something, they do not beyond what
colours were used in one Spanish installation. If you want to know what the
harmonised colours actually are go and read the documents!

David.

In article , David Looser
writes

You seem to think that your photos prove something,

Yes, they prove that the installation was done with brown/black/black.
You seemed to have difficulty believing me, which is why I posted a
photo.

You said in an earlier post "I guess the installers simply didn't have
any grey cable" which means you thought the cables were single,
individual cables. I merely pointed out that they were not, but were in
in an armoured outer jacket.

I'm fine that the harmonised colours are brown/black/grey, just saying
that I know of installations - note the plural - where they are not.

Take a chill pill, ffs.

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"Geoffrey S. Mendelson" wrote in message
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I don't know how well UK sets worked in the 1960's, but US TV sets were
not capable of receiving adjcent channels at one time, so they were not
used. For example, channel 2 was used in New York City, while the nearest
channel 3 station was in Philadelphia, 90 miles away and too far to be
received without a large antenna.

US analog TV's improved greatly and were generally happy with adjacent
channels for maybe the last 20 years of their lives.

http://www.jneuhaus.com/fccindex/cablech.html

shows cable channels on 6-7 MHz intervals. Adjacent numbered channels were
used all the time.

A couple of questions regarding that list:

Why is the HRC channel spacing offset[1] by 300Hz - 6.0003MHz instead of
6MHz?

Why are the IRC channels offset from broadcast channels (where they
exist) by 12.5kHz?

[1] UK cable systems mostly use HRC at 8MHz spacing but this is
sometimes varied by a carefully calculated amount so that one block of
UHF channels coincides almost exactly with the broadcast frequencies.
This is done on systems with a by-pass facility to allow a few channels
- usually the local off-airs - to be fed directly to the TV giving the
subscriber direct access from the TV without needing an aerial.

Obviously this block of channels has to be chosen so as not to conflict
with local transmitters, so the offset will vary from system to system
and can't be fixed as in the US table

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Terry

In article ,
lid says...

[1] UK cable systems mostly use HRC at 8MHz spacing but this is
sometimes varied by a carefully calculated amount so that one block of
UHF channels coincides almost exactly with the broadcast frequencies.
This is done on systems with a by-pass facility to allow a few channels
- usually the local off-airs - to be fed directly to the TV giving the
subscriber direct access from the TV without needing an aerial.

Obviously this block of channels has to be chosen so as not to conflict
with local transmitters, so the offset will vary from system to system
and can't be fixed as in the US table


In case it isn't clear, I should have pointed out that normal cable
reception is via a set top box and, of course, I was referring to
analogue systems ...


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Terry

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Terry Casey wrote:

Not a bomber - it would have been the A10 rocket.

No, it was a "stealth" airplane.

According to the show, the troops found an experimental stealth airplane
in a hangar in France in the spring of 1945. It had crashed durng a test
flight in February, killing the pilot, but had been restored.

The airplane and parts (possibly for others) were broght back to the US and
stored in a warehouse. Airplane technicains were allowed to
come in and take measurments for a short time.

They then went back to their factory and built a model of it which was used
to test it for it's ability to be detected by 1945 vintage radar. It was
good enough that had it flown, it would not have been detected until
20 miles off the coast of England or the US.

The film also re-enacted a meeting between the head of the Luftwaffe and
the designers of the airplane (which was reliably documented) that they were
told to produce a stealth bomber which could reach New York from (occupied)
France.

At the time of the meeting, it was expected that Germany would have an
atomic bomb in time for a 1946 flight.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/06/090625-hitlers-stealth-fighter-plane.html


Very interesting link. Thank you.

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Terry

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"Terry Casey" wrote in message
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Looking back in hindsight, it would have been very likely that if Europe
was
not invaded in 1994, by 1946 the Luftwaffe would of had a jet engine
bomber that was undetectable until 20 miles of the coast, able to
fly to New York and an atomic bomb to drop from it.


Not a bomber - it would have been the A10 rocket.

No, there was also a super bomber based on conventional technology:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amerika_Bomber

"The most promising proposals were based on conventional principles of
aircraft design and would have yielded aircraft very similar in
configuration and capability to the Allied heavy bombers of the day..."


Which conflicts with the idea of a stealth bomber ...

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Terry

"Terry Casey" wrote

The version of events I described is the one that has been quoted for
over 40 years but I only became aware of that bulletin a couple of
months ago ...

Was it a recording you saw - or a film made at the time?

What I actually saw was a DVD, copied from a video tape. My understanding is
that someone at Kingswood Warren decided to record this "first programme"
off-air, but that the tape then lay forgotten for many years until it was
rediscovered a few years ago. I also understand that the DVD I saw was a
direct copy from the original off-air tape. It's clear from the picture
quality that this was a video-tape recording, not a film telerecording.

It was rather a pathetic attempt which should be filed in the "it would
have been better if they hadn't bothered" category.

I don't know what the viewers (if there were any left!) made of it at
the time but, when I saw the film it generated some laughter - possibly
out of pity - from some of the audience.

I entirely agree. Its the most appallingly amateurish thing imaginable. I
particularly like the fact that there is total silence for the first minute
or so and then, at the end of the bulletin, the newsreader says that the
bulletin will be repeated in one minute's time as "I gather nobody could
hear me". So the loss of sound was at the transmitting end. I guess the BBC
were too embarrassed to admit that this news bulletin was actually broadcast
and were quite happy to have the myth that BBC2 only started the next day
gain currency!

David.

"Mike Tomlinson" wrote in message
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In article , David Looser
writes

You seem to think that your photos prove something,

Yes, they prove that the installation was done with brown/black/black.
You seemed to have difficulty believing me, which is why I posted a
photo.

I never for one second doubted that you had seen installations done in
brown, black, black. So there was no need to post photos to prove that you
had.

All I said was that the harmonised colours are, and always have been, brown,
black, grey. A fact which you have seemed reluctant to accept.

I'm fine that the harmonised colours are brown/black/grey, just saying
that I know of installations - note the plural - where they are not.

Its entirely possible that brown, black, black was in use in parts of Europe
before the EU-wide harmonised colours were introduced. But they've never
been used here.

Take a chill pill, ffs.

You too :-)

David.

"Geoffrey S. Mendelson" wrote in message
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Terry Casey wrote:

Not a bomber - it would have been the A10 rocket.

No, it was a "stealth" airplane.

According to the show, the troops found an experimental stealth airplane
in a hangar in France in the spring of 1945. It had crashed durng a test
flight in February, killing the pilot, but had been restored.

The airplane and parts (possibly for others) were broght back to the US
and
stored in a warehouse. Airplane technicains were allowed to
come in and take measurments for a short time.

They then went back to their factory and built a model of it which was
used
to test it for it's ability to be detected by 1945 vintage radar. It was
good enough that had it flown, it would not have been detected until
20 miles off the coast of England or the US.

The film also re-enacted a meeting between the head of the Luftwaffe and
the designers of the airplane (which was reliably documented) that they
were
told to produce a stealth bomber which could reach New York from
(occupied)
France.

At the time of the meeting, it was expected that Germany would have an
atomic bomb in time for a 1946 flight.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/06/090625-hitlers-stealth-fighter-plane.html


One point - this Nazi development (never a practical tool of war) was a
fighter not a bomber. Even in more modern times developing a stealth bomber
was far more difficult and there was a delay of many years between the
first stealth fighter and the first stealth bomber.

"Terry Casey" wrote in message
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"Terry Casey" wrote in message
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snip

Looking back in hindsight, it would have been very likely that if
Europe
was
not invaded in 1994, by 1946 the Luftwaffe would of had a jet engine
bomber that was undetectable until 20 miles of the coast, able to
fly to New York and an atomic bomb to drop from it.


Not a bomber - it would have been the A10 rocket.

No, there was also a super bomber based on conventional technology:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amerika_Bomber

"The most promising proposals were based on conventional principles of
aircraft design and would have yielded aircraft very similar in
configuration and capability to the Allied heavy bombers of the day..."


Which conflicts with the idea of a stealth bomber ...


Right. It wasn't jet powered, either. The jet engines of the day had service
lives measured in integer hours, which means that a flight from Europe to
the US would be pretty much guaranteed to fail. Fuel economy was miserable
as well.