In message , Michael A.
Terrell writes

Ian Jackson wrote:

In message , Michael A.
Terrell writes

Terry Casey wrote:

In article ,
says...

David Looser wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
m...

"Geoffrey S. Mendelson" wrote:

hwh wrote:
On 2/5/12 7:04 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
But you've got to remember that this is the country that
405-line
going for, I think, longer after 625 started than it had
going
before that.

Erm, 405 started before the war and was alone until 1964? Then it
continued for another 20 years?

Someone said the last two years of 405 line signals were
generated by an
unusal
method, I think the word they used was "endearing". What was it?

BTW, the BBC shut down TV broadcasts in for World War II,

them at the exact point in the same broadcast after the war. :-)


That's very easy to do with film. I should know. I loaded and ran
truckloads of 16 mm film on a pair of RCA TP66 projectors in
the '70s.

I'm sure it is, but as we've already established that the
point in
the same broadcast" bit isn't true its not relevant.

The myth that the engineers simply ceased transmission
half-way through a
programme and left the station like a sort of Mary Celeste has been
widespread, but it is a myth. In fact there was an orderly shut
and the
film in the machines would have been rewound and put into storage
before the
staff left. It would have been 35mm film (the BBC didn't have
facilities for
transmitting from 16mm film pre-war) and thus on nitrate stock.
putting
it into proper storage would have constituted a fire hazard
been in
contravention of fire regulations.


It still would have been no problem to load and start it at exactly
the same frame, if they had wanted to.

All hypothetical. As David said earlier, it is a myth that transmission
was cut in the middle of the cartoon. Station logs exist that say
different.

Another myth is that the Television Service resumed in 1946 with the
same cartoon. It didn't!

The cartoon WAS repeated that day - but it wasn't the first programme.


Does it matter? Were you alive to see it, and in their service
area? I wasn't and I wasn't. I was a TV broadcast engineer at three US
TV stations from the early '70s to the late '80s. I started with
monochrome and film, and ended up with 1" Sony color VTRS & RCA TK46A
cameras feeding a 5 MW EIRP antenna 1700+ feet AAT.

I'm sure that that the point being made was that despite all that had
happened to Britain since 1939, we were now picking up the pieces,
continuing where we had left off, and getting back to business as usual.
Even if it didn't quite happen as reported, there is no doubt that the
popular version of the story would have been good for moral.


Or an attempt to raise the moral of the citizens after VE day?

The word, of course, should have been 'morale'. I'm sure that, even
during the war, British morals remained impeccable!

TV broadcasting didn't resume until 1946 - a year after VE Day.

After the war, it took a long time for life in Britain to get back
normal. We were constantly being reminded of austerity and deprivation.
For example, lots of things were rationed, and de-rationing didn't begin
until 1948. I believe that certain things which has escaped rationing
during the war were actually rationed after it ended. I remember sweets
coming 'off the ration' in 1953. Meat was the last, in 1954. In 1951, we
had the Festival of Britain, which was intended to boost both morale and
the economy, and a lavish coronation in 1953.

I expect that the resumption of the TV service with a Mickey Mouse
cartoon also helped to cheer us up - even though, at the time, it would
only be seen by a handful of people in the London area. It could be that
the urban legend which followed was actually more effective than the
broadcast itself.
--
Ian

In article ,
Bill Wright wrote:
Seems you often do just that. Too many 'Mail' generalizations.

I'm going to have to have a look at this 'Mail'. Is it really so bad as
everyone makes out?

It wouldn't be to you. You'd find yourself agreeing with every word.

--
*Why is it considered necessary to screw down the lid of a coffin?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article , says...

Terry Casey wrote:

Obviously you will add noise to the amplified source but not to the rest
of the system.

Well yes, but better to add a little noise there than let the channel go
through the system 10dB down.


I wasn't disagreeing with you Bill!

Merely saying that noise introduced here wouldn't affect the overall
system SNR - whereas, if it was not filtered, it would ...

--

Terry

"Morality" refers to correct behavior -- not just sexual behavior.

On Saturday, February 11th, 2012, at 08:57:40h +0000, Ian Jackson wrote:

I'm sure that, even during the war, British morals remained impeccable!

Actually, and not surprisingly, you will find that morals in the
UKofGB&NI deteroriated badly during the war.

In Ipswich in 1943, an increasing number of complaints were received
about air raid shelters being used for “immoral purposes".

In message , Mark Carver
writes:
J G Miller wrote:

With the switch off of analog TV, all TV transmissions in Germany are now
on UHF channels. In Western Europe, only Danmark and Letzebuerg have
transmitters with DVB-t on VHF Band III.
http://www.ukwtv.DE/sender-tabelle/

And Finland (if you count that as Western Europe ?)

http://www.dvb.org/about_dvb/dvb_worldwide/finland/

What _is_ on bands I and III in Germany/Belgium/Netherlands now?
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

If it's pretentious, then at least it's not the sort that wears a horned helmet
and shrieks about trolls. - Stuart Maconie in Radio Times, 14-20 November 2009.

On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 14:42:41 +0000 (UTC), J G Miller
wrote:

On Saturday, February 11th, 2012, at 08:57:40h +0000, Ian Jackson wrote:

I'm sure that, even during the war, British morals remained impeccable!

Actually, and not surprisingly, you will find that morals in the
UKofGB&NI deteroriated badly during the war.

In Ipswich in 1943, an increasing number of complaints were received
about air raid shelters being used for “immoral purposes".

I don't suppose they were any good for much else. And since when was
sex immoral?

d

In message , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes:
In article ,
Ian Jackson wrote:
If it could be used on a variety of voltages (120V, 200V - in Hong Kong,
220) and 230/240V), that meter could be extremely useful.

Interesting point. As someone else has said, the accuracy was probably
abysmal, but should have been adequate to tell between 1xx and 2xx
volts.

Quite. it serves no purpose in the UK since it couldn't resolve any
likely voltage variations - even for those so anal they wanted to know.

(Why do [some] people insist on using that term - anal - for other
people who want to know something they don't, or similar? I find it
unpleasant. And no, I'm not one of those referred to in this case.)
--
*Why do we say something is out of whack? What is a whack?
[]
What equipment that's out of it hasn't had enough of? (Perhaps an
English version of a kilter?)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

If it's pretentious, then at least it's not the sort that wears a horned helmet
and shrieks about trolls. - Stuart Maconie in Radio Times, 14-20 November 2009.

On 2/11/12 3:45 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Mark Carver
writes:
J G Miller wrote:

With the switch off of analog TV, all TV transmissions in Germany are
now
on UHF channels. In Western Europe, only Danmark and Letzebuerg have
transmitters with DVB-t on VHF Band III.
http://www.ukwtv.DE/sender-tabelle/

And Finland (if you count that as Western Europe ?)

http://www.dvb.org/about_dvb/dvb_worldwide/finland/

What _is_ on bands I and III in Germany/Belgium/Netherlands now?

Band I is virtually empty. Band III is (going to be) used mainly for DAB+.

gr, hwh

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 14:42:41 +0000 (UTC), J G Miller
wrote:

On Saturday, February 11th, 2012, at 08:57:40h +0000, Ian Jackson wrote:

I'm sure that, even during the war, British morals remained impeccable!

Actually, and not surprisingly, you will find that morals in the
UKofGB&NI deteroriated badly during the war.

In Ipswich in 1943, an increasing number of complaints were received
about air raid shelters being used for â?oimmoral purposes".

I don't suppose they were any good for much else. And since when was
sex immoral?

Indeed, I was going to ask J G Miller what he meant by "morals". Its
certainly the case that both World Wars created significant social change
including liberating women from many of the social restrictions that they
had previously suffered from. If J G Miller thinks that giving women more
independence equates to "morals deteriorating badly" then maybe he has a
point!

David.
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