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QUAD 44 CD/Aux Vs Tape & hum



 
 
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Old July 13th 03, 01:59 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Jonathan Ives
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Default QUAD 44 CD/Aux Vs Tape & hum

Hi,

Odd phenomena, but I wonder if anyone can explain.


I have a Quad 44 which feeds a Radford valve amp. I power the amp from
the slaved mains sockets on the 44, so the amp 'sees' ground through
the preamp.

If I play my CD player through the Quad CD/Aux input - sounds fine.

If I play my CD player through either Tape input - bad humm ,
irrespective of sensitivy settings.

If I play my DVD player through CD input - fine

If I play my DVD player through either Tape inputs - fine.


So I guess the CD player 'earth' is somehow different to the DVD
player ? The player is pretty old. I assume that the CD/Aux module
somehow isolates the earth from the player. There I guess the
amp/preamp are joined both via the mains earth and also the signal
ground, but that does'nt appear to cause a problem.
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Old July 14th 03, 05:45 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
db
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Default QUAD 44 CD/Aux Vs Tape & hum

1. Is the CD player mains cable correctly polarised?
Some equipment has a 2 pin 6a continental connector adapted by a pseudo-13a
plug-top. If so try turning the 2 pin connector round.
2. Are the screens on the CD player interconnects intact?
Good luck.
JB


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Old July 14th 03, 06:52 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
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"db" wrote in message
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1. Is the CD player mains cable correctly polarised?
Some equipment has a 2 pin 6a continental connector adapted by a

pseudo-13a
plug-top. If so try turning the 2 pin connector round.
2. Are the screens on the CD player interconnects intact?
Good luck.
JB



Screens don't come into it - it works correctly on one input but not on
another supposedly identically rated input.

Mains polarised? AC? Come on...............

I thought long and hard about this one - well a couple of minutes anyway -
but I can't remember which way round it was now. If the hum is on the tape
input there is just a possibility that the amp has some odd earthing
arrangement to avoid hum on the basis that there will be two cables linking
the tape machine to the amp, and there is only an earth at the amp end on
the signal to the tape. Equally there may be too many earths.

One idea that came to me if either the amp or the CD have a DIN connector -
unlikely in most cases. The hum could occur if there is a short between the
cable screen earth (pin 2 at 12 o'clock) and the plug body. Some amps using
DIN don't have the same earth at these two points, or don't earth the body,
which could lead to extraneous pickup.


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Old July 14th 03, 08:40 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
Nick Gorham
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Default QUAD 44 CD/Aux Vs Tape & hum

harrogate wrote:
"db" wrote in message
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1. Is the CD player mains cable correctly polarised?
Some equipment has a 2 pin 6a continental connector adapted by a


pseudo-13a

plug-top. If so try turning the 2 pin connector round.
2. Are the screens on the CD player interconnects intact?
Good luck.
JB




Screens don't come into it - it works correctly on one input but not on
another supposedly identically rated input.

Mains polarised? AC? Come on...............


It may be AC, but its not balanced, one wire will be closer to ground
than the other. Having said that, if the CDP has only two wires going
in, it will be isolated anyway (or should be).

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Old July 14th 03, 08:26 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
Jim Lesurf
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Default QUAD 44 CD/Aux Vs Tape & hum

In article , harrogate
wrote:


Mains polarised? AC? Come on...............


Bear in mind that 'live' and 'neutral' are not a balanced system. I have
certainly encountered situations where swapping over the mains/neutral
inputs to the transformer primary altered the measured hum level. I'd guess
this was due to stray fields, or unintended coupling through the
transformer. Should be low enough not to notice, though.

Slainte,

Jim

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Old July 13th 03, 04:39 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Jim Lesurf
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Default QUAD 44 CD/Aux Vs Tape & hum

In article , Jonathan
Ives wrote:
Hi,


Odd phenomena, but I wonder if anyone can explain.



I have a Quad 44 which feeds a Radford valve amp. I power the amp from
the slaved mains sockets on the 44, so the amp 'sees' ground through the
preamp.


If I play my CD player through the Quad CD/Aux input - sounds fine.


If I play my CD player through either Tape input - bad humm ,
irrespective of sensitivy settings.


If I play my DVD player through CD input - fine


If I play my DVD player through either Tape inputs - fine.


Do you know the output impedances of the CD and DVD players?

Do you know if either the CD player or DVD player have their own grounding
seperate from the signal lead ground?

Are you using the same cables for each source?

So far as I know the input socket groundings are nominally the same for all
the quad inputs. However I am wondering if one of your boards has a poor
contact which is introducing an unintended ground resistance. Or if there
is a difference between the cables/plugs.

Slainte,

Jim

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