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Old April 8th 15, 12:19 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv,uk.rec.audio
Jim Lesurf[_2_]
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In article , Chris J Dixon
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Jim Lesurf wrote:


Those who use the BBC Radio iPlayer may find a new page at

http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/BBC/Audio...ioFactory.html

of interest.

It is the result of recent discussions with some people at the BBC and
sheds some light on the current developments. Note that things are
still evolving and there are some outstanding areas that need
clarification. I'll update the page when things change or some matters
become clearer.


An impressive piece of work, much of which is rather outside my
understanding.


Does any of this explain why, whilst my Roku box will happily allow me
to view BBC programmes through iPlayer,


I assume you mean 'TV' above although you don't make that clear.

radio is no longer available in this way, but iPlayer Radio on my PC
continues to function.


Afraid I don't know anything about how the Roku works. Nor have I (as yet)
looked much at the TV side as my main interest is audio/radio. So I can't
comment specifically on the Roku or TV.

You'd need to specify what method you're using on your 'PC'. But as
explained on the page, the Flash plugin for a browser, for example, should
still work. But the Roku may simply use a different method, which has
changed beyond its current comprehension. In particular, it may use a
method that relies on a 'third party' who 'translates and retransmits' the
BBC material for a given make of consumer 'net radio/TV' as you listen or
watch.

Beyond that, changes to BBC radio and TV are being made at slightly
different times and in slightly different ways. As these are made it
becomes a question of if/how your chosen 'receiver' operates and what it
can accept.

Boxes sold as 'consumer devices' may be 'closed'. i.e. The owner has no
simply way to alter how they work for themselves. So you then have to rely
on the makers to 'upgrade' its internal firmware, and/or some 'third party'
to take in in the new info from the BBC and rearrange and re-send it to the
box. If the maker or third party fails to keep up with the changes, you may
lose access. I have no idea what Roku may do about this, I'm afraid.

The problem for consumers who treat these boxes as pressbutton systems is
that the they may not be able to tell who is responsible for their box
ceasing to work whilst other systems continue to function. Its a drawback
of regarding such closed consumer items as a 'smart' (i.e. 'magic') radio
or TV.

A complication for the BBC is that a fair amount of the requests for
material come from boxes that fail to identify the maker, model, etc. So
they haven't been able to tell in all cases just *what* equipment is making
the request. That made it harder for them to find the makers, etc, in
question to tell them about the approaching changes.

Personally, my approach is to avoid such consumer boxes. Just as night
follows day, at some point a change will occur that leaves them orphaned.
Whereas with a computer you are more likely to be able to get new software
that lets you go on accessing. The downside, of course, is that a general
purpose computer can be more complicated to use. Or physically less
convenient.

I'm afraid this is just an example of what has become a wider problem of
'home consumer items' that actually rely on some support from a company
without the buyer really being aware of the implications. When you buy such
a box in a shop - be it a 'net radio' or a 'smart TV' - your contract is
with the *shop* and it ends with the warranty, etc, as with other goods.
You have no contract with the maker or any 'third party' who initially was
supporting it working day-by-day. But day-to-day you may be relying on them
for the box to go on working...

Jim

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Old April 8th 15, 02:37 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv,uk.rec.audio
Chris J Dixon
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Jim Lesurf wrote:

In article , Chris J Dixon
wrote:
Jim Lesurf wrote:


Does any of this explain why, whilst my Roku box will happily allow me
to view BBC programmes through iPlayer,


I assume you mean 'TV' above although you don't make that clear.


Sorry, yes it is one of these:
https://www.roku.com/products/roku-3

and certified for use
http://iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.u...formation/roku

However
http://iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.uk/tv/connected/connected_TVs_new_iPlayer

"As part of improving how we deliver radio online, the method for
streaming radio programmes is changing and as such radio
programmes are no longer available on BBC iPlayer for TV."

but iPlayer Radio on my PC
continues to function.


Afraid I don't know anything about how the Roku works. Nor have I (as yet)
looked much at the TV side as my main interest is audio/radio. So I can't
comment specifically on the Roku or TV.

You'd need to specify what method you're using on your 'PC'.


Firefox, http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio

it simply works.

Personally, my approach is to avoid such consumer boxes. Just as night
follows day, at some point a change will occur that leaves them orphaned.
Whereas with a computer you are more likely to be able to get new software
that lets you go on accessing. The downside, of course, is that a general
purpose computer can be more complicated to use. Or physically less
convenient.


It is really the latter that made my try the Roku, which for TV
is working very well, so far, and is far cheaper than buying a
new "smart" TV, and I thought was worth the risk. The lack of
radio isn't really a problem, since access via the PC is easy
enough, and there is not such a need to have the immediate
ability to rewind or fast forward from the viewing position.

Chris
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Old April 8th 15, 03:49 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv,uk.rec.audio
Jim Lesurf[_2_]
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In article , Chris J Dixon
wrote:
Jim Lesurf wrote:


In article , Chris J Dixon
wrote:
Jim Lesurf wrote:


Does any of this explain why, whilst my Roku box will happily allow
me to view BBC programmes through iPlayer,


I assume you mean 'TV' above although you don't make that clear.


Sorry, yes it is one of these: https://www.roku.com/products/roku-3


and certified for use
http://iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.u...formation/roku


OK.

However
http://iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.uk/tv/connected/connected_TVs_new_iPlayer


"As part of improving how we deliver radio online, the method for
streaming radio programmes is changing and as such radio programmes are
no longer available on BBC iPlayer for TV."


Interesting management-speak. :-)

You could argue that sound radio is not "TV", hence if you're going to
define an area with the label "BBC iPlayer for TV" then it excludes sound
radio. The reality is that radio streams are still available - as you
confirm because FireFox still lets you access them - both live and listen
again. But the arrangements for how you get them have changed.

So the radio is still available from the BBC *Radio* iPlayer. But not from
the "for TV" one.

Note, though, that there's a risk that individual BBC pages may currently
not always be up to date with changes. Work in progress.

The TV and radio changes may happen at different times and vary in detail.
Being done by different people. But I can't really comment on TV details
because as things stand I don't know much about them. May find out and say
more later on. Up to now, getting my head around the radio side involved
enough effort! 8-]


but iPlayer Radio on my PC continues to function.


Afraid I don't know anything about how the Roku works. Nor have I (as
yet) looked much at the TV side as my main interest is audio/radio. So
I can't comment specifically on the Roku or TV.

You'd need to specify what method you're using on your 'PC'.


Firefox, http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio


it simply works.


Yes. You'll presumably be getting the streams via the Flash plugin.
Although that's in the process of changing 'wrapper' from RTMP to HDS, both
of these work with Flash. Hence FireFox goes on accessing.

The Roku probably used/uses a different route. (If only so they can dodge
paying Adobe for Flash.) The details depend on what the makers decided to
build into the box. On the figures shown on the webpage I did it would
probably be something like a 'connected device' or 'internet radio' rather
than a web browser / computer. It would be a question for Roku to say what
methods they use and what they (or any service supporter they use) may do
about the loss of access. I have no idea if they are working on a fix, or
if they will orphan the device. Up to them.

Jim

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Please use the address on the audiomisc page if you wish to email me.
Electronics http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scot...o/electron.htm
Armstrong Audio http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong/armstrong.html
Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html

 




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