Why Bose?
 

In article ,
Phil Allison wrote:
Dave Plowman (Nutcase) wrote:

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At one time, many years ago, Bose did actually lead the world in terms
of good quality PA gear.


** ROTFL - wot utter crap.

Thanks for your vote of confidence.


You'd see it in the best nightclubs, etc.


** Oh, that is fantastic proof - of absolutely nothing.

And it sounded very good by the PA standards of the day.

Perhaps you'd give your recommendations from the '70s?


But it
relied on using the matching amps which were equalised to the speakers.


** There were no such amplifiers.

Bose sold outboard equalisers to go with their **** boxes - from the
first 901s onwards - that could be used with any power amp.

Ah right. A Mullard 3-3 would have been ideal, then, in your little world.

Bose brand amplifiers were rebadged products from other companies cos
Bose really never made anything themselves.

Back in the 80s, I did a lot of service work for a hire business that
dealt mainly in Bose equipment - like 802s, 802Es plus the horrible
1800 amp series, the PM2 powered mixer and others. The failure rate was
high.

You worked for a company that hired out rubbish? Surely that would be
against your principles?


But not cheap. Of course since then others have caught up.


** There was none for them to do.



... Phil

--
*If you ate pasta and anti-pasta, would you still be hungry?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Why Bose?
 

Dave Plowman Nutcase MORON wrote:

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At one time, many years ago, Bose did actually lead the world in terms
of good quality PA gear.


** ROTFL - wot utter crap.

Thanks for your vote of confidence.


** Go drop dead - imbecile.



You'd see it in the best nightclubs, etc.


** Oh, that is fantastic proof - of absolutely nothing.

And it sounded very good by the PA standards of the day.


** No it didn't - you imbecile.




But it
relied on using the matching amps which were equalised to the speakers.


** There were no such amplifiers.

Bose sold outboard equalisers to go with their **** boxes - from the
first 901s onwards - that could be used with any power amp.

Ah right.


** Drop dead, ****head.



Bose brand amplifiers were rebadged products from other companies cos
Bose really never made anything themselves.

Back in the 80s, I did a lot of service work for a hire business that
dealt mainly in Bose equipment - like 802s, 802Es plus the horrible
1800 amp series, the PM2 powered mixer and others. The failure rate was
high.

You worked for a company



** No, they came to me to get various repairs done, special items built and reliable technical advice.

Know nothing, **** for brains poms had no chance.

FOAD.



..... Phil

Why Bose?
 

tiistai 18. heinäkuuta 2017 2.37.49 UTC+3 Dave Plowman (News) kirjoitti:
In article ,

At one time, many years ago, Bose did actually lead the world in terms
of good quality PA gear.


You'd see it in the best nightclubs, etc.

And it sounded very good by the PA standards of the day.

Perhaps you'd give your recommendations from the '70s?

Dave. You must be trying to wind Phil up:-)
We all know that compared with JBL and Altec, Bose were mediocre,
with poor reliability.

Iain

Why Bose?
 

In article ,
Phil Allison writes:

The Mike Fleming Troll wrote:

Oh, OK. You can **** right off then, **** for brains.

--
Mike Fleming

Why Bose?
 

On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 00:19:46 +0100, Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:

In article ,
Mike Fleming wrote:
It's not a troll at all. The Bose speakers at the Minack are crap.
Perhaps you should listen to some Bose PA speakers and hear how poor
they are.

At one time, many years ago, Bose did actually lead the world in terms of
good quality PA gear. You'd see it in the best nightclubs, etc. But it
relied on using the matching amps which were equalised to the speakers.
But not cheap. Of course since then others have caught up.

I'm surprised their modern stuff is poor in PA terms.


As mainly a punter in the late 70's/early 80's I can understand what you
are saying here. A well set up Bose system usually sounded smoother than
just about anything else I heard. Back then a typical PA system for a
medium size venue appeared to be a collection of horns, acoustic lenses
and bass bins stacked in a somewhat random arrangement either side of the
stage.

It wasn't until Turbosound came along that I started to hear better sound
at the average gig.

I'm sure that there were better PA's around but they took skill to set up
and so it was rare to hear a system that sounded really good. If you
followed the instructions for an 802/302 setup you would end up with an
impressive sounding system with little effort.

I've heard the L1's and they're not poor if used as intended (just
overpriced compared to the alternatives). They're supposed to be used by
an individual musician in a very small venue so their use in a theatre
setting seems strange.

--
JRP Music - http://www.jrpmusic.co.uk

Why Bose?
 

In article ,
Phil Allison wrote:
At one time, many years ago, Bose did actually lead the world in terms
of good quality PA gear.


** ROTFL - wot utter crap.

Thanks for your vote of confidence.


** Go drop dead - imbecile.

Thanks for the intuitive response. Again.

--
*A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kickboxing.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Why Bose?
 

In article ,
James Perrett wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 00:19:46 +0100, Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:

In article ,
Mike Fleming wrote:
It's not a troll at all. The Bose speakers at the Minack are crap.
Perhaps you should listen to some Bose PA speakers and hear how poor
they are.

At one time, many years ago, Bose did actually lead the world in terms
of good quality PA gear. You'd see it in the best nightclubs, etc. But
it relied on using the matching amps which were equalised to the
speakers. But not cheap. Of course since then others have caught up.

I'm surprised their modern stuff is poor in PA terms.


As mainly a punter in the late 70's/early 80's I can understand what you
are saying here. A well set up Bose system usually sounded smoother
than just about anything else I heard. Back then a typical PA system
for a medium size venue appeared to be a collection of horns, acoustic
lenses and bass bins stacked in a somewhat random arrangement either
side of the stage.

Yes. I remember hearing a Bose setup in a medium sized nightclub in
Chelsea. Early '70s. The group was just piano, bass, drums and vocals. Not
meant to pin you up against the wall as in a disco or rock concert. And
was very surprised just how clean it sounded. So very different from the
norm in those days. Of course it had someone who knew what they were doing
driving it - but even then, it impressed. To the point were I took some
work colleagues along to hear it.

It wasn't until Turbosound came along that I started to hear better
sound at the average gig.

Once it was established half decent sound for PA was possible and popular,
others followed.

I'm sure that there were better PA's around but they took skill to set
up and so it was rare to hear a system that sounded really good. If
you followed the instructions for an 802/302 setup you would end up
with an impressive sounding system with little effort.

Quite. The fact the system came equalised for a half decent sound meant it
worked pretty well out of the box. So ideal for the vast majority of small
gigs where just getting it working was good enough.

I've heard the L1's and they're not poor if used as intended (just
overpriced compared to the alternatives). They're supposed to be used by
an individual musician in a very small venue so their use in a theatre
setting seems strange.

It's very easy to get decent gear to sound horrible. ;-)

--
*We have enough youth, how about a fountain of Smart?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Why Bose?
 

tiistai 18. heinäkuuta 2017 12.57.14 UTC+3 Dave Plowman (News) kirjoitti:

On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 00:19:46 +0100, Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:


Yes. I remember hearing a Bose setup in a medium sized nightclub in
Chelsea. Early '70s. The group was just piano, bass, drums and vocals. Not
meant to pin you up against the wall as in a disco or rock concert. And
was very surprised just how clean it sounded.

So just a vocal with a trio. Are you saying that bas and drums were also fed to the PA?

|So very different from the
norm in those days. Of course it had someone who knew what they were doing
driving it.

Don't kid yourself:-)

If you had gone to the back of the stage you would probably have found small Soundcraft mixer, fader positions marked with sticky tape and red marker pen, set up by whoever installed the system. At the sound check of such gigs, it is usually the bouncer or the barman who stands in front of the stage for 30 seconds and says, "Yes. I can hear everyone"


Iain

Why Bose?
 

In article , "James
Perrett" writes:

I've heard the L1's and they're not poor if used as intended (just
overpriced compared to the alternatives). They're supposed to be used by
an individual musician in a very small venue so their use in a theatre
setting seems strange.

I may have unintentionally misled here - the Bose speakers in the
Minack weren't L1s, I was making a general point about Bose rather
than about the L1 specifically.

--
Mike Fleming

Why Bose?
 

Once upon a time on usenet Iain Churches wrote:
tiistai 18. heinäkuuta 2017 12.57.14 UTC+3 Dave Plowman (News)
kirjoitti:

On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 00:19:46 +0100, Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:


Yes. I remember hearing a Bose setup in a medium sized nightclub in
Chelsea. Early '70s. The group was just piano, bass, drums and
vocals. Not meant to pin you up against the wall as in a disco or
rock concert. And was very surprised just how clean it sounded.

So just a vocal with a trio. Are you saying that bas and drums were
also fed to the PA?

So very different from the
norm in those days. Of course it had someone who knew what they were
doing driving it.

Don't kid yourself:-)

If you had gone to the back of the stage you would probably have
found small Soundcraft mixer, fader positions marked with sticky tape
and red marker pen, set up by whoever installed the system. At the
sound check of such gigs, it is usually the bouncer or the barman who
stands in front of the stage for 30 seconds and says, "Yes. I can
hear everyone"

.... which is why I was hired by a band back in the late 70s / early 80s to
initially set up the mixer (and tweak as the room filled or otherwise)
before / during operating what started as rudimentary stage lighting
(progressing on to a full off-stage mix a few months later and more lights
every so often).

I spent three years working with that band, living in hotels and 'band
accomodation' eight nights out of ten and touring the country, most often
driving the bands bus between towns on Sun/Mon or Tuesday. I have many many
fond memories of that time (and more than a few gaps...). ;)
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)