Down in Cornwall last week, my other half dragged me along to the
Minack Theatre to see a performance of La Traviata. As it's open air
and has quite a large and very steep auditorium, there's some sound
reinforcement both for singers and for the mini-orchestra, which used
Bose speakers. My word, they're ****poor. Horrible boxy sound. Don't
know why they didn't go for higher quality sound and lower cost and
use Behringer instead. Just reinforced my feeling about Bose, having
heard the PA things that look like black stoves in use at a couple of
gigs. Are they perceived to be good because they're expensive?

--
Mike Fleming

Mike Fleming wrote:

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Down in Cornwall last week, my other half dragged me along to the
Minack Theatre to see a performance of La Traviata. As it's open air
and has quite a large and very steep auditorium, there's some sound
reinforcement both for singers and for the mini-orchestra, which used
Bose speakers. My word, they're ****poor. Horrible boxy sound. Don't
know why they didn't go for higher quality sound and lower cost and
use Behringer instead.



** You are joking ?

Behringer is just cheap Chinese ****.


Just reinforced my feeling about Bose, having
heard the PA things that look like black stoves



** Black stoves ??

More info needed.



in use at a couple of
gigs. Are they perceived to be good because they're expensive?


** When you decide to post sensibly, we may get somewhere.

Cos this post looks just like a stupid troll.



..... Phil

On 16/07/2017 14:04, Mike Fleming wrote:
Down in Cornwall last week, my other half dragged me along to the
Minack Theatre to see a performance of La Traviata. As it's open air
and has quite a large and very steep auditorium, there's some sound
reinforcement both for singers and for the mini-orchestra, which used
Bose speakers. My word, they're ****poor. Horrible boxy sound. Don't
know why they didn't go for higher quality sound and lower cost and
use Behringer instead. Just reinforced my feeling about Bose, having
heard the PA things that look like black stoves in use at a couple of
gigs. Are they perceived to be good because they're expensive?


Obviously yes.

They use to sell BOSE equipments in fashion outlets here in Italy.

Draw your own conclusions.

Frank


P.S.: "No highs, no lows, must be BOSE!"

Phil Allison wrote:

Mike Fleming wrote:

Just reinforced my feeling about Bose, having
heard the PA things that look like black stoves

** Black stoves ??

More info needed.

I guess he means something like the ubiquitous 802:

https://pro.bose.com/en_us/products/loudspeakers/point_source_sound_reinforcement/panaray/panaray_802_iv.html

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK


Plant amazing Acers.

sunnuntai 16. heinäkuuta 2017 15.04.09 UTC+3 Mike Fleming kirjoitti:
Down in Cornwall last week, my other half dragged me along to the
Minack Theatre to see a performance of La Traviata. As it's open air
and has quite a large and very steep auditorium, there's some sound
reinforcement both for singers and for the mini-orchestra, which used
Bose speakers. My word, they're ****poor. Horrible boxy sound. Don't
know why they didn't go for higher quality sound and lower cost and
use Behringer instead. Just reinforced my feeling about Bose, having
heard the PA things that look like black stoves in use at a couple of
gigs. Are they perceived to be good because they're expensive?

--
Mike Fleming

Remember it is not just about the speakers, but also the audio being fed to them. Small personal mics that may be fine for pop concerts probably will not do justice to Verdi. And getting your "mini-orchestra" to work for an outdoor event, is quite a challenge.

Agreed with you about Bose. In my opinion Behringer are even worse!

La Traviata is wonderful. Hopefully the poor sound reinforcement did not spoil your enjoyment.



Iain

In article ,
Phil Allison writes:

Mike Fleming wrote:

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Down in Cornwall last week, my other half dragged me along to the
Minack Theatre to see a performance of La Traviata. As it's open air
and has quite a large and very steep auditorium, there's some sound
reinforcement both for singers and for the mini-orchestra, which used
Bose speakers. My word, they're ****poor. Horrible boxy sound. Don't
know why they didn't go for higher quality sound and lower cost and
use Behringer instead.



** You are joking ?

Behringer is just cheap Chinese ****.

Bose is just expensive ****.

Just reinforced my feeling about Bose, having
heard the PA things that look like black stoves

** Black stoves ??

More info needed.

http://www.gear4music.com/PA-DJ-and-...PA-System/114B

Sounds boxy and nasty.

in use at a couple of
gigs. Are they perceived to be good because they're expensive?


** When you decide to post sensibly, we may get somewhere.

Cos this post looks just like a stupid troll.

It's not a troll at all. The Bose speakers at the Minack are crap.
Perhaps you should listen to some Bose PA speakers and hear how poor
they are.

--
Mike Fleming

In article ,
Iain Churches writes:

sunnuntai 16. heinäkuuta 2017 15.04.09 UTC+3 Mike Fleming kirjoitti:
Down in Cornwall last week, my other half dragged me along to the
Minack Theatre to see a performance of La Traviata. As it's open air
and has quite a large and very steep auditorium, there's some sound
reinforcement both for singers and for the mini-orchestra, which used
Bose speakers. My word, they're ****poor. Horrible boxy sound. Don't
know why they didn't go for higher quality sound and lower cost and
use Behringer instead. Just reinforced my feeling about Bose, having
heard the PA things that look like black stoves in use at a couple of
gigs. Are they perceived to be good because they're expensive?

Remember it is not just about the speakers, but also the audio being fed to them. Small personal mics that may be fine for pop concerts probably will not do justice to Verdi. And getting your "mini-orchestra" to work for an outdoor event, is quite a challenge.

There were some front-of-stage mics for the vocals too - the vocals
had exactly the same boxy sound to them. Couldn't see how the
orchestra were mic'ed, they were tucked under an awning (kept the
blazing sun off them, the chorus and soloists were strutting their
stuff in clothing which would have kept them warm in the Arctic).

Agreed with you about Bose. In my opinion Behringer are even worse!

La Traviata is wonderful. Hopefully the poor sound reinforcement did not spoil your enjoyment.

I still enjoyed it, it was just irksome to hear the poor sound
reproduction. And given my cloth ears, it has to be pretty bad for me
to notice.

--
Mike Fleming

In article ,
Mike Fleming wrote:
It's not a troll at all. The Bose speakers at the Minack are crap.
Perhaps you should listen to some Bose PA speakers and hear how poor
they are.

At one time, many years ago, Bose did actually lead the world in terms of
good quality PA gear. You'd see it in the best nightclubs, etc. But it
relied on using the matching amps which were equalised to the speakers.
But not cheap. Of course since then others have caught up.

I'm surprised their modern stuff is poor in PA terms.

--
*If a thing is worth doing, wouldn't it have been done already?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 16/07/2017 10:04 PM, Mike Fleming wrote:
Down in Cornwall last week, my other half dragged me along to the
Minack Theatre to see a performance of La Traviata. As it's open air
and has quite a large and very steep auditorium, there's some sound
reinforcement both for singers and for the mini-orchestra, which used
Bose speakers. My word, they're ****poor. Horrible boxy sound. Don't
know why they didn't go for higher quality sound and lower cost and
use Behringer instead. Just reinforced my feeling about Bose, having
heard the PA things that look like black stoves in use at a couple of
gigs. Are they perceived to be good because they're expensive?


**Last time I listened to Bose PA speakers, was at a local ski field.
The voice was clear and intelligible, the speakers were compact and easy
to move and place. All in all, an excellent choice for the job.

Oh, you're talking about music?

Bose are the absolute worst choice for music. Good for speech though.
Singing? Forget it.

--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

Chris J Dixon wrote:

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Mike Fleming wrote:

Just reinforced my feeling about Bose, having
heard the PA things that look like black stoves

** Black stoves ??

More info needed.

I guess he means something like the ubiquitous 802:

https://pro.bose.com/en_us/products/loudspeakers/point_source_sound_reinforcement/panaray/panaray_802_iv.html


** So the 8 x 4inch drivers which you cannot see look like the elements on the top of an electric stove ??

Never heard that one before.



..... Phil