Mike Fleming wrote:

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Down in Cornwall last week, my other half dragged me along to the
Minack Theatre to see a performance of La Traviata. As it's open air
and has quite a large and very steep auditorium, there's some sound
reinforcement both for singers and for the mini-orchestra, which used
Bose speakers. My word, they're ****poor. Horrible boxy sound. Don't
know why they didn't go for higher quality sound and lower cost and
use Behringer instead.



** You are joking ?

Behringer is just cheap Chinese ****.

Bose is just expensive ****.


** Then what was your point ?



Just reinforced my feeling about Bose, having
heard the PA things that look like black stoves

** Black stoves ??

More info needed.

http://www.gear4music.com/PA-DJ-and-...PA-System/114B

Sounds boxy and nasty.


** Looks like a pot belly stove to some.

But not the first model you think of when the Bose name is mentioned.


in use at a couple of
gigs. Are they perceived to be good because they're expensive?


** When you decide to post sensibly, we may get somewhere.

Cos this post looks just like a stupid troll.

It's not a troll at all.


** Yes it is- you want US to discuss you opinions of a usical sound we cannon hear.

The Bose speakers at the Minack are crap.

** Really ?


Perhaps you should listen to some Bose PA speakers and hear how poor
they are.


** I am familiar with the 901s and the 802s.

Neither is a hi-fi speaker and they are overpriced.

But the Bose "pot belly" system is PORTABLE, easily set up and inconspicuous.

Is there a Behringer equivalent?

..... Phil

In article ,
Phil Allison writes:

Chris J Dixon wrote:

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Mike Fleming wrote:

Just reinforced my feeling about Bose, having
heard the PA things that look like black stoves

** Black stoves ??

More info needed.

I guess he means something like the ubiquitous 802:

https://pro.bose.com/en_us/products/loudspeakers/point_source_sound_reinforcement/panaray/panaray_802_iv.html


** So the 8 x 4inch drivers which you cannot see look like the elements on the top of an electric stove ??

Never heard that one before.

No, that's not what I was referring to. Have a look at the link I
posted.

--
Mike Fleming

In article ,
Phil Allison writes:

Mike Fleming wrote:

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Down in Cornwall last week, my other half dragged me along to the
Minack Theatre to see a performance of La Traviata. As it's open air
and has quite a large and very steep auditorium, there's some sound
reinforcement both for singers and for the mini-orchestra, which used
Bose speakers. My word, they're ****poor. Horrible boxy sound. Don't
know why they didn't go for higher quality sound and lower cost and
use Behringer instead.



** You are joking ?

Behringer is just cheap Chinese ****.

Bose is just expensive ****.


** Then what was your point ?

Read what I wrote. The point is there.

Just reinforced my feeling about Bose, having
heard the PA things that look like black stoves

** Black stoves ??

More info needed.

http://www.gear4music.com/PA-DJ-and-...PA-System/114B

Sounds boxy and nasty.


** Looks like a pot belly stove to some.

But not the first model you think of when the Bose name is mentioned.

Perhaps not you, I as a hobbyist musician do encounter portable PA
systems on a very regular basis. Got some in the garage, in fact
(including some Behringer).

in use at a couple of
gigs. Are they perceived to be good because they're expensive?


** When you decide to post sensibly, we may get somewhere.

Cos this post looks just like a stupid troll.

It's not a troll at all.


** Yes it is- you want US to discuss you opinions of a usical sound we cannon hear.

Of course you can hear it. Just go to the Minack Theatre and have a
listen. I've told you where you can hear it, the rest is up to you.

The Bose speakers at the Minack are crap.

** Really ?

Yes, otherwise I wouldn't have said it.

Perhaps you should listen to some Bose PA speakers and hear how poor
they are.


** I am familiar with the 901s and the 802s.

Neither is a hi-fi speaker and they are overpriced.

But the Bose "pot belly" system is PORTABLE, easily set up and inconspicuous.

And doesn't sound very good. And it's only a little easier to set up
than a conventional system.

Is there a Behringer equivalent?

Not a direct equivalent to that. I just use a pair of Behringer B210Ds
on small gigs where I couldn't be bothered to get the RCFs out (and
they get used as monitors when I do use the RCFs).

--
Mike Fleming

I don't know. The bbc used to use them in the old Television theatre all
those years ago. Now they were not bad, but they were kind of spacy as they
had speakers on the back as well as the front.
The acronym somebody reminded me of in another group is.
Buy Other Soud Equipment.
They have been far worse since the guy who founded the company died and the
name was sold off.
Brian

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Down in Cornwall last week, my other half dragged me along to the
Minack Theatre to see a performance of La Traviata. As it's open air
and has quite a large and very steep auditorium, there's some sound
reinforcement both for singers and for the mini-orchestra, which used
Bose speakers. My word, they're ****poor. Horrible boxy sound. Don't
know why they didn't go for higher quality sound and lower cost and
use Behringer instead. Just reinforced my feeling about Bose, having
heard the PA things that look like black stoves in use at a couple of
gigs. Are they perceived to be good because they're expensive?

--
Mike Fleming

Not really, I'm no fan of Bose and the afore mentioned company's stuff is
cheap it is true but some of their designs can be quite nice.
I'd also warn about sonus as well.
Brian

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Mike Fleming wrote:

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Down in Cornwall last week, my other half dragged me along to the
Minack Theatre to see a performance of La Traviata. As it's open air
and has quite a large and very steep auditorium, there's some sound
reinforcement both for singers and for the mini-orchestra, which used
Bose speakers. My word, they're ****poor. Horrible boxy sound. Don't
know why they didn't go for higher quality sound and lower cost and
use Behringer instead.



** You are joking ?

Behringer is just cheap Chinese ****.


Just reinforced my feeling about Bose, having
heard the PA things that look like black stoves



** Black stoves ??

More info needed.



in use at a couple of
gigs. Are they perceived to be good because they're expensive?


** When you decide to post sensibly, we may get somewhere.

Cos this post looks just like a stupid troll.



.... Phil

In article ,
Brian Gaff wrote:
I don't know. The bbc used to use them in the old Television theatre all
those years ago. Now they were not bad, but they were kind of spacy as
they had speakers on the back as well as the front.

There was a pair of Bose slung on a catenary wire system to cover the
front of the circle. All the rest was covered by RG Jones columns. Bit of
a bodge, really. The original installation had poor coverage to the front
of the circle and stalls. Just the place important guests would sit.

These days you don't always see line source columns used for PA in a TV
studio.

Before I retired, EV units became popular. Just a conventional two driver
speaker. They sounded better than line source, and didn't seem to be any
worse in terms of separation between stage and audience area - but could
handle a great deal more level for pop etc stuff.

--
*Everybody lies, but it doesn't matter since nobody listens*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

The Mike Fleming Troll wrote:

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** You are joking ?

Behringer is just cheap Chinese ****.

Bose is just expensive ****.


** Then what was your point ?

Read what I wrote. The point is there.



** The only point visible is right on top of your fat head.





Just reinforced my feeling about Bose, having
heard the PA things that look like black stoves

** Black stoves ??

More info needed.

http://www.gear4music.com/PA-DJ-and-...PA-System/114B

Sounds boxy and nasty.


** Looks like a pot belly stove to some.

But not the first model you think of when the Bose name is mentioned.

Perhaps not you,


** Not anyone - you trolling, ****wit asshole.


I as a hobbyist musician ............


** ROTFLMAO ....

With your fist permanently wrapped around you tiny cock.




It's not a troll at all.


** Yes it is- you want US to discuss you opinions of a usical sound we cannont hear.

Of course you can hear it.



** Ok - so now this troll is clearly totally INSANE.



Just go to the Minack Theatre and have a
listen.


** Not my problem - ****head.



I've told you where you can hear it,


** That is no kind of point at all.

Just a ****wit troll's usual BULL****





The Bose speakers at the Minack are crap.

** Really ?

Yes,

** No.



** I am familiar with the 901s and the 802s.

Neither is a hi-fi speaker and they are overpriced.

But the Bose "pot belly" system is PORTABLE, easily set up and inconspicuous.

And doesn't sound very good.


** Who gives a flying **** wot a pile of **** TROLL like you bull****s ????

NO ONE ALIVE !!



Is there a Behringer equivalent?

Not a direct equivalent to that.


** Yawnnnnnnn - more insane CRAPOLOGY


WARNING to Mike,

**** off, or I will **** you off.

In spectacular fashion too.

Cos I absolutely LOATHE psychopathic trolls.





... Phil

maanantai 17. heinäkuuta 2017 2.20.34 UTC+3 Dave Plowman (News) kirjoitti:
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At one time, many years ago, Bose did actually lead the world in terms of
good quality PA gear.

Please substantiate this claim.

Bose are and have always been expensive and mediocre, and compare poorly in comparison tests, which as a former audio professional you surely know.
Have you ready any professional reviews?

Iain

sunnuntai 16. heinäkuuta 2017 20.49.20 UTC+3 Mike Fleming kirjoitti:
In article ,
Iain Churches writes:

sunnuntai 16. heinäkuuta 2017 15.04.09 UTC+3 Mike Fleming kirjoitti:
Down in Cornwall last week, my other half dragged me along to the
Minack Theatre to see a performance of La Traviata. As it's open air
and has quite a large and very steep auditorium, there's some sound
reinforcement both for singers and for the mini-orchestra, which used
Bose speakers. My word, they're ****poor. Horrible boxy sound. Don't
know why they didn't go for higher quality sound and lower cost and
use Behringer instead. Just reinforced my feeling about Bose, having
heard the PA things that look like black stoves in use at a couple of
gigs. Are they perceived to be good because they're expensive?

Remember it is not just about the speakers, but also the audio being fed to them. Small personal mics that may be fine for pop concerts probably will not do justice to Verdi. And getting your "mini-orchestra" to work for an outdoor event, is quite a challenge.

There were some front-of-stage mics for the vocals too - the vocals
had exactly the same boxy sound to them. Couldn't see how the
orchestra were mic'ed, they were tucked under an awning (kept the
blazing sun off them, the chorus and soloists were strutting their
stuff in clothing which would have kept them warm in the Arctic).

Agreed with you about Bose. In my opinion Behringer are even worse!

La Traviata is wonderful. Hopefully the poor sound reinforcement did not spoil your enjoyment.

I still enjoyed it, it was just irksome to hear the poor sound
reproduction. And given my cloth ears, it has to be pretty bad for me
to notice.

--
Mike Fleming

Generally, for open-air concerts the audio rig is rented (lights too, together with riggers and a crew) so the relative cost of Behringer and Bose is not really relevant. Someone made a poor choice, which cannot now be undone. But what you *could* do is to make your opinion known to the even't organisers,so that they will not make the same mistake again.

Like you, I play music as a hobby (big band and symphonic wind ensemble). As an audio engineer, i also mix concerts and theatre. We get plenty of feedback, most of it positive, and take it very seriously. Everyone who makes contact gets a reply, and often a pair of complimentary tickets to the next performance. Without an audience there would not be a gig.

Iain

Dave Plowman (Nutcase) wrote:

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At one time, many years ago, Bose did actually lead the world in terms of
good quality PA gear.


** ROTFL - wot utter crap.


You'd see it in the best nightclubs, etc.


** Oh, that is fantastic proof - of absolutely nothing.


But it
relied on using the matching amps which were equalised to the speakers.


** There were no such amplifiers.

Bose sold outboard equalisers to go with their **** boxes - from the first 901s onwards - that could be used with any power amp.

Bose brand amplifiers were rebadged products from other companies cos Bose really never made anything themselves.

Back in the 80s, I did a lot of service work for a hire business that dealt mainly in Bose equipment - like 802s, 802Es plus the horrible 1800 amp series, the PM2 powered mixer and others. The failure rate was high.


But not cheap. Of course since then others have caught up.


** There was none for them to do.



.... Phil