G.S. Nail wrote:

MJ presents a masculine image of himself, I can't think of any gender
bending outtift or even item of clothing he has worn [he invented the
thrust-cock-into-hands dance motif for crissake]. He has never
betrayed a desire to be female in any interview or lyric I've heard.
He has been married twice and had a child (yes some say they were show
weddings - who outside of the inner circle can possibly know for
sure). OK Jacko does have an unusually "sweet" voice - he's always had
that, and some rather unusual beliefs, but I think you are jumping the
gun a bit to say he obviously wants to be a woman. As I said before,
based on what evidence exactly?

There are two main types of transexual - the obvious flamboyant type
that tries way too hard, and the quiet introverted type who like the
closet gay or lesbian, you hardly notice.

He presents a male image of himself only because he is in such a spotlight.
You'll notice that he's been steadily retreating into his own world and acting
less and less male - typical of a problem like this( it's not a disease, but
without any resolution, it's a huge disability).

His marriages - it's common for transexuals to try to be super masculine in
their youth and have at least one failed marriage, often with exactly one
child. They try, but never fit into male society.

IIRC, he's had most of his body hair(facial for sure) removed, wears his
hair sort of long - and a bunch of little things that all add up to his
being as feminine a male as possible and yet still being barely acceptable
as such in our society. If he's not transexual, he's most definately hiding
being gay - there are really only two explinations for his behavior over the
last ten or so years - that he's "living in the closet" about something.

His self-destructive behavior is classic of this.


The sad thing is everyone is putting him in a box as if he was some pedophile,
when he really is just a lonely, troubled person who needs therapy.


You are clutching at straws IMO. What if it turns out he is guilty?

My guess is that he really was just sleeping with them. It would be very
fitting with my hypothesis - that he has a female mindset and has a need
to be near children - to be their "mom" as it were. He invites the kids over
to fill this void in his life. He certainly wants little to do with his
own child - because that would reinforce his having to be the male/father - but
other children - he gets to be their nanny.

Of course, we'll probably never really know what goes on in his mind as
most closet transexuals would rather die than admit it and have it out
in public. Almost all want a stealth-as-possible existance, yet if
there ever was one person who couldn't ever have it, it's Michael.

Sad, really - if he could have come to terms with his inner demons years
ago, nobody would be accusing him of being a pedophile as there would be
another explination. Unfortunately, he'll stick to his male public image
and that will doom him as REAL men who sleep with children are obviously
messed up.

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anthony.gosnell wrote:

"Joseph Oberlander" wrote

He'll likely get off on this one too - but my advice would be - go to
a therapist.


He paid off the last kid didn't he?
Seems like an easy way to make some serious cash.

Looks like history will repeat itself.

I'm shocked they didn't settle out of court.


Maybe they don't want to live with the guilt that if
they don't stop this 'man', down the line there will
be more kids that get abused by him.




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"Joseph Oberlander" wrote

He'll likely get off on this one too - but my advice would be - go to
a therapist.


He paid off the last kid didn't he?
Seems like an easy way to make some serious cash.

Looks like history will repeat itself.

I'm shocked they didn't settle out of court.


Maybe they don't want to live with the guilt that if
they don't stop this 'man', down the line there will
be more kids that get abused by him.




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George M. Middius wrote:


PD said:


- he fits the transexual pattern perfectly.


MJ presents a masculine image of himself, I can't think of any gender
bending outtift or even item of clothing he has worn [he invented the
thrust-cock-into-hands dance motif for crissake]. He has never
betrayed a desire to be female in any interview or lyric I've heard.
He has been married twice and had a child (yes some say they were show
weddings - who outside of the inner circle can possibly know for
sure). OK Jacko does have an unusually "sweet" voice - he's always had
that, and some rather unusual beliefs, but I think you are jumping the
gun a bit to say he obviously wants to be a woman. As I said before,
based on what evidence exactly?


Your observations may be completely accurate, but they could also be
completely beside the point. It's entirely possible that if Obie is
right, Jacko is totally unaware of it.

He's been seen as a male celebrity all his life - so it's likely that
the idea that there could be something inbetween male and female is
not occuring to him.

That said, my guess would be that the poor sod has constructed his
elaborate reality-as-fantasy world to immerse himself in perpetual
childhood. Which means he doesn't see himself as a man, at least not
with his inner eye. Which in turn means he really can't "want to be a
woman" because he sees himself as a sexless child.

That might fit as well. It's definately psychological/orientation problems
in any case. Major repression going on.

I think we can all agree that it's not pedophilia but a terribly messed
up person who's psyche is imploding. Of course, with his visibility, he
should know better. I see drugs and a violent end/suicide in a few years,
typical of people who can't come to terms with these type of issues.

George M. Middius wrote:


PD said:


- he fits the transexual pattern perfectly.


MJ presents a masculine image of himself, I can't think of any gender
bending outtift or even item of clothing he has worn [he invented the
thrust-cock-into-hands dance motif for crissake]. He has never
betrayed a desire to be female in any interview or lyric I've heard.
He has been married twice and had a child (yes some say they were show
weddings - who outside of the inner circle can possibly know for
sure). OK Jacko does have an unusually "sweet" voice - he's always had
that, and some rather unusual beliefs, but I think you are jumping the
gun a bit to say he obviously wants to be a woman. As I said before,
based on what evidence exactly?


Your observations may be completely accurate, but they could also be
completely beside the point. It's entirely possible that if Obie is
right, Jacko is totally unaware of it.

He's been seen as a male celebrity all his life - so it's likely that
the idea that there could be something inbetween male and female is
not occuring to him.

That said, my guess would be that the poor sod has constructed his
elaborate reality-as-fantasy world to immerse himself in perpetual
childhood. Which means he doesn't see himself as a man, at least not
with his inner eye. Which in turn means he really can't "want to be a
woman" because he sees himself as a sexless child.

That might fit as well. It's definately psychological/orientation problems
in any case. Major repression going on.

I think we can all agree that it's not pedophilia but a terribly messed
up person who's psyche is imploding. Of course, with his visibility, he
should know better. I see drugs and a violent end/suicide in a few years,
typical of people who can't come to terms with these type of issues.

I used to wear my hair long.
I don't have a hairy back
I don't have a gruff voice.
Am I gay/transexual?

Are you Tiny Tim ?

I used to wear my hair long.
I don't have a hairy back
I don't have a gruff voice.
Am I gay/transexual?

Are you Tiny Tim ?

G.S. Nail wrote:

George M. Middius wrote:


- he fits the transexual pattern perfectly.

MJ presents a masculine image of himself, I can't think of any gender
bending outtift or even item of clothing he has worn [he invented the
thrust-cock-into-hands dance motif for crissake]. He has never
betrayed a desire to be female in any interview or lyric I've heard.
He has been married twice and had a child (yes some say they were show
weddings - who outside of the inner circle can possibly know for
sure). OK Jacko does have an unusually "sweet" voice - he's always had
that, and some rather unusual beliefs, but I think you are jumping the
gun a bit to say he obviously wants to be a woman. As I said before,
based on what evidence exactly?

Your observations may be completely accurate, but they could also be
completely beside the point. It's entirely possible that if Obie is
right, Jacko is totally unaware of it.


Of course - that's one of many possibilities. You may notice I'm
avoiding making definitive statements - none of us know the truth. I'm
just curious where Joseph got his notion that MJ is a trannie, besides
gut reaction, because I haven't seen any suggestion of such before.

I think he has the problem deep inside him - but like over half of
people like that, they repress it and hide it - especially from
themselves.

G.S. Nail wrote:

George M. Middius wrote:


- he fits the transexual pattern perfectly.

MJ presents a masculine image of himself, I can't think of any gender
bending outtift or even item of clothing he has worn [he invented the
thrust-cock-into-hands dance motif for crissake]. He has never
betrayed a desire to be female in any interview or lyric I've heard.
He has been married twice and had a child (yes some say they were show
weddings - who outside of the inner circle can possibly know for
sure). OK Jacko does have an unusually "sweet" voice - he's always had
that, and some rather unusual beliefs, but I think you are jumping the
gun a bit to say he obviously wants to be a woman. As I said before,
based on what evidence exactly?

Your observations may be completely accurate, but they could also be
completely beside the point. It's entirely possible that if Obie is
right, Jacko is totally unaware of it.


Of course - that's one of many possibilities. You may notice I'm
avoiding making definitive statements - none of us know the truth. I'm
just curious where Joseph got his notion that MJ is a trannie, besides
gut reaction, because I haven't seen any suggestion of such before.

I think he has the problem deep inside him - but like over half of
people like that, they repress it and hide it - especially from
themselves.

G.S. Nail wrote:

Joseph Oberlander wrote:

That black and white huh?

Well, according to the medical community, there are. I personally think
there are quite a few somewhere inbetween.


He presents a male image of himself only because he is in such a spotlight.

How do you know he doesn't present a male image of himself because
that's how he genuinly wants to present himself? You've got to quit
OSAFing to get any credibility here.

He obviously doesn't act like any typical male I know of. Not even
close.

IIRC, he's had most of his body hair(facial for sure) removed, wears his
hair sort of long - and a bunch of little things that all add up to his
being as feminine a male as possible and yet still being barely acceptable
as such in our society. If he's not transexual, he's most definately hiding
being gay - there are really only two explinations for his behavior over the
last ten or so years - that he's "living in the closet" about something.

I used to wear my hair long.
I don't have a hairy back.
I don't have a gruff voice.

Am I gay/transexual?

It's more than that - he's plainly put, trying to look like his sister.

Possible, I've thought about that, could be the case - but I would say
his behaviour seems more childlike. "I love you! I love you!"

In any case, he's most definately imploding.