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Kalman Rubinson December 22nd 03 10:17 PM

Added a DAC to a cheap CD player - and got a result
 
On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 22:52:59 +0000, Ian Molton wrote:

On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 17:13:17 +0000 (GMT)
Jim Lesurf wrote:

If I put *four* ESL63's in the living room we'd have no space left to sit
there in between them!


does anyone make 'mini ESL's ?


Stax did but they are rare. OTOH, there are some small magnetoplanars
like the Magnepan and ET that might mate well for the rear channels.
I have a pair of the small Maggies in my MCH system now.

Kal


Stewart Pinkerton December 23rd 03 07:58 AM

Added a DAC to a cheap CD player - and got a result
 
On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 19:58:53 +0000, Glenn Booth
wrote:

In message , Stewart Pinkerton
writes

I could possibly be persuaded to part with my Apogee Duetta Sigs and
their partnering Krell....................


Out of interest, what would you replace them with?


That's a very good question! Probably, a set of five JMlab Micro
Utopias, Dynaudio Contour 1.3s or B&W N805s, partnered by the 'killer'
sub I'm building.

Despite the superbly musical sound of the Duettas, I'm becoming
persuaded that multi-channel is the way forward.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Stewart Pinkerton December 23rd 03 07:58 AM

Added a DAC to a cheap CD player - and got a result
 
On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 19:58:53 +0000, Glenn Booth
wrote:

In message , Stewart Pinkerton
writes

I could possibly be persuaded to part with my Apogee Duetta Sigs and
their partnering Krell....................


Out of interest, what would you replace them with?


That's a very good question! Probably, a set of five JMlab Micro
Utopias, Dynaudio Contour 1.3s or B&W N805s, partnered by the 'killer'
sub I'm building.

Despite the superbly musical sound of the Duettas, I'm becoming
persuaded that multi-channel is the way forward.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Stewart Pinkerton December 23rd 03 07:58 AM

Added a DAC to a cheap CD player - and got a result
 
On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 15:12:19 -0500, Kalman Rubinson
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 18:45:33 +0000 (UTC),
(Stewart Pinkerton) wrote:

In case you weren't aware of it, your Meridian 203 is correct for
absolute phase.


Yes but, given the randomness of associated components and sources,
that's of little more than psychological benefit.


Oh sure, but it's nice to know where is your starting point!
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Stewart Pinkerton December 23rd 03 07:58 AM

Added a DAC to a cheap CD player - and got a result
 
On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 15:12:19 -0500, Kalman Rubinson
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 18:45:33 +0000 (UTC),
(Stewart Pinkerton) wrote:

In case you weren't aware of it, your Meridian 203 is correct for
absolute phase.


Yes but, given the randomness of associated components and sources,
that's of little more than psychological benefit.


Oh sure, but it's nice to know where is your starting point!
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Stewart Pinkerton December 23rd 03 08:03 AM

Added a DAC to a cheap CD player - and got a result
 
On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 22:52:59 +0000, Ian Molton wrote:

On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 17:13:17 +0000 (GMT)
Jim Lesurf wrote:

If I put *four* ESL63's in the living room we'd have no space left to sit
there in between them!


does anyone make 'mini ESL's ?


Martin-Logan.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Stewart Pinkerton December 23rd 03 08:03 AM

Added a DAC to a cheap CD player - and got a result
 
On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 22:52:59 +0000, Ian Molton wrote:

On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 17:13:17 +0000 (GMT)
Jim Lesurf wrote:

If I put *four* ESL63's in the living room we'd have no space left to sit
there in between them!


does anyone make 'mini ESL's ?


Martin-Logan.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Glenn Booth December 23rd 03 08:12 AM

Added a DAC to a cheap CD player - and got a result
 
Hi,

In message , Kalman Rubinson
writes

Stax did but they are rare. OTOH, there are some small magnetoplanars
like the Magnepan and ET that might mate well for the rear channels.
I have a pair of the small Maggies in my MCH system now.


I tried to find Maggies in the UK a while back, and couldn't find a
distributor. If anyone knows of an importer, I'd be really interested.
My last quest for speakers drew a blank; I guess I'm looking for planar
type sound without the required ESL budget (or space for that matter).

What I've read about the Magnepan products makes me think they might fit
the bill, but I can't get to hear them.

--
Regards,
Glenn Booth

Glenn Booth December 23rd 03 08:12 AM

Added a DAC to a cheap CD player - and got a result
 
Hi,

In message , Kalman Rubinson
writes

Stax did but they are rare. OTOH, there are some small magnetoplanars
like the Magnepan and ET that might mate well for the rear channels.
I have a pair of the small Maggies in my MCH system now.


I tried to find Maggies in the UK a while back, and couldn't find a
distributor. If anyone knows of an importer, I'd be really interested.
My last quest for speakers drew a blank; I guess I'm looking for planar
type sound without the required ESL budget (or space for that matter).

What I've read about the Magnepan products makes me think they might fit
the bill, but I can't get to hear them.

--
Regards,
Glenn Booth

Jim Lesurf December 23rd 03 08:21 AM

Added a DAC to a cheap CD player - and got a result
 
In article , Ian Molton
wrote:
On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 17:13:17 +0000 (GMT) Jim Lesurf
wrote:


If I put *four* ESL63's in the living room we'd have no space left to
sit there in between them!


does anyone make 'mini ESL's ?


That may be set to become an interesting area.... :-)

Some years ago I had a conversation with Ross Walker on a train. At the
time they were toying with the idea of making smaller ESLs that people
could then use a bit like 'building blocks' to make a larger array if they
wished. They were very aware of the 'entry cost' in terms of price and size
of the ESL63 which clearly limited the market.

I think that PJ was not very keen on the idea, and it wasn't really thought
'necessary' at the time. However with surround sound with a sub now
becoming common I would not be surprised to see it resurrected.

As fortune would have it, I was reading "QUAD: The closest approach" when I
learned about PJW's death. Interesting to see in there some coverage of
"Peter's Balls" as well as some speculative mentions of future speakers.

I don't know Quad's views as I have no contact with them these days.
However it would not surprise me to find that home cinema and surround
systems prompt them to revisit the idea of smaller ESLs to be sold in sets
of four or more. Their recent forays into conventional speakers imply they
would have no difficulty doing a matching sub...

Certainly, if they made smaller units for the surround and center that went
with 63's or their current speakers, I'd be very interested. Trying to use
non-ESL's to partner ESLs is a nightmare as the ESLs are so different to
conventional speakers.

Slainte,

Jim

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