Added a DAC to a cheap CD player - and got a result
 

Following the recent thread about adding a DAC to my Schneider DVD player, I
went ahead and purchased a used Meridian 203 when it was offered by a
subscriber here. It arrived this morning and it's been playing all day...

My initial impressions are that there's much better detail and a huge
improvement in bass (cleaner, deeper, more controlled). Individual
instruments are easier to pick out and follow. Bass drums and low toms have
tone rather than just a thumpiness, and basslines can be picked out around
the drums. There's far better resolution of cymbals and other high tish-tish
noises - hardly ever noticed such things on the Schenider. Strings solo or
in small groups are clearer - the sound of rosined horsehair passing over
strings is really quite noticable. Soundstaging seems better - although I
haven't concentrated too much on this as yet, there have been a few times
when something has sounded 'solid but further away' (like, several yards
behind the speakers, but as if the room was bigger).

Overall, it's as if heavy curtains have been drawn back from the speakers.
I'm certainly hearing things in my CDs that I wasn't hearing before. I
realise that I'm still listening to the system at present - it'll take a
while for my brain to stop spotting differences and get used to the sound,
so I can't comment on how musical the DAC is. I'll see how this goes once
I've lived with it for a while. Suffice it to say that the prognosis is
pretty good - the Schneider is too mushy to ever sound musical.


I found that using a coax cable resulted in a little 'tick' noise when
skipping tracks. It would happen right at the start of a track. I tried an
optical interconnect and it stopped happening. I presume this is down to
some sort of interference, but can't really say what's causing it. I note
that the Lock light on the DAC goes out between each track, which I gather
has something to do with the player not sending timing information unless
it's actually playing music, so it might be related to that. I haven't
noticed anything in the way of digital artefacts - the Meridian seems to
have tracked everything I've played without a problem.


My feeling is that the differences between the Merdian DAC and the Arcam
player are slight, and that the difference between both of them and the
Schneider is pretty big. I was orginally considering getting a better
single-box CD player, and I would probably have preferred to get a new one
(zero wear on the mechanism), which would have meant waiting quite a while
until Arcam-sized money was available.

With the arrival of the 203, I don't think I'll be going shopping for an
Arcam any time soon, if at all. In fact, the 400 quid I didn't spend (and
don't have!) would probably be better spent on some mods to the speakers
(current semi-plan is isobaric subs and reboxed mid & high, possibly
bi-amped).

At a fifth of the price of a new Arcam, I think this is a thoroughly
excellent upgrade.


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Added a DAC to a cheap CD player - and got a result
 

On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 19:26:12 -0000
"Wally" wrote:


My feeling is that the differences between the Merdian DAC and the Arcam
player are slight

I got my ARCAM dac yesterday and have some optical cable on order. I dont have a coax output :)

I wonder why the dac has 'main' and 'aux' outputs? perhaps it can decode four channels at once? it has two phillips DACs in it I think.

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Added a DAC to a cheap CD player - and got a result
 

On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 19:26:12 -0000
"Wally" wrote:


My feeling is that the differences between the Merdian DAC and the Arcam
player are slight

I got my ARCAM dac yesterday and have some optical cable on order. I dont have a coax output :)

I wonder why the dac has 'main' and 'aux' outputs? perhaps it can decode four channels at once? it has two phillips DACs in it I think.

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Added a DAC to a cheap CD player - and got a result
 

Ian Molton wrote:

My feeling is that the differences between the Merdian DAC and the
Arcam player are slight

I got my ARCAM dac yesterday and have some optical cable on order. I
dont have a coax output :)

I look forward to your Team DAC review. :-)


I wonder why the dac has 'main' and 'aux' outputs? perhaps it can
decode four channels at once? it has two phillips DACs in it I think.

How many inputs? Any switches on the front?


--
Wally
www.art-gallery.myby.co.uk
Latest addition: Early Works gallery

Added a DAC to a cheap CD player - and got a result
 

Ian Molton wrote:

My feeling is that the differences between the Merdian DAC and the
Arcam player are slight

I got my ARCAM dac yesterday and have some optical cable on order. I
dont have a coax output :)

I look forward to your Team DAC review. :-)


I wonder why the dac has 'main' and 'aux' outputs? perhaps it can
decode four channels at once? it has two phillips DACs in it I think.

How many inputs? Any switches on the front?


--
Wally
www.art-gallery.myby.co.uk
Latest addition: Early Works gallery

Added a DAC to a cheap CD player - and got a result
 

On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 20:49:39 -0000
"Wally" wrote:


I got my ARCAM dac yesterday and have some optical cable on order. I
dont have a coax output :)

I look forward to your Team DAC review. :-)


I wonder why the dac has 'main' and 'aux' outputs? perhaps it can
decode four channels at once? it has two phillips DACs in it I think.

How many inputs? Any switches on the front?

2 inputs - optical and coax, but it seems only one may be used at once.

two selector switches to choose the input (and one on the back to select the default on powerup, heh.)

theres a switch labelled 'phase'. Wonder what that does?


--
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Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with ketchup.

Added a DAC to a cheap CD player - and got a result
 

On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 20:49:39 -0000
"Wally" wrote:


I got my ARCAM dac yesterday and have some optical cable on order. I
dont have a coax output :)

I look forward to your Team DAC review. :-)


I wonder why the dac has 'main' and 'aux' outputs? perhaps it can
decode four channels at once? it has two phillips DACs in it I think.

How many inputs? Any switches on the front?

2 inputs - optical and coax, but it seems only one may be used at once.

two selector switches to choose the input (and one on the back to select the default on powerup, heh.)

theres a switch labelled 'phase'. Wonder what that does?


--
Spyros lair: http://www.mnementh.co.uk/ |||| Maintainer: arm26 linux

Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with ketchup.

Added a DAC to a cheap CD player - and got a result
 

Ian Molton wrote:

How many inputs? Any switches on the front?

2 inputs - optical and coax, but it seems only one may be used at
once.

two selector switches to choose the input (and one on the back to
select the default on powerup, heh.)

theres a switch labelled 'phase'. Wonder what that does?

Something to do with the timing circuitry, perhaps (phase-locked loop)? Or
how about some surround sound trickery on the aux channel if it feeds rear
speakers? Front/rear phasing?


--
Wally
www.art-gallery.myby.co.uk
Latest addition: Early Works gallery

Added a DAC to a cheap CD player - and got a result
 

Ian Molton wrote:

How many inputs? Any switches on the front?

2 inputs - optical and coax, but it seems only one may be used at
once.

two selector switches to choose the input (and one on the back to
select the default on powerup, heh.)

theres a switch labelled 'phase'. Wonder what that does?

Something to do with the timing circuitry, perhaps (phase-locked loop)? Or
how about some surround sound trickery on the aux channel if it feeds rear
speakers? Front/rear phasing?


--
Wally
www.art-gallery.myby.co.uk
Latest addition: Early Works gallery

Added a DAC to a cheap CD player - and got a result
 

"Wally" wrote in message
...
Following the recent thread about adding a DAC to my Schneider DVD player,
I
went ahead and purchased a used Meridian 203 when it was offered by a
subscriber here. It arrived this morning and it's been playing all day...


:-)



My initial impressions are that there's much better detail and a huge
improvement in bass (cleaner, deeper, more controlled). Individual
instruments are easier to pick out and follow. Bass drums and low toms
have
tone rather than just a thumpiness, and basslines can be picked out around
the drums. There's far better resolution of cymbals and other high
tish-tish
noises - hardly ever noticed such things on the Schenider. Strings solo or
in small groups are clearer - the sound of rosined horsehair passing over
strings is really quite noticable. Soundstaging seems better - although I
haven't concentrated too much on this as yet, there have been a few times
when something has sounded 'solid but further away' (like, several yards
behind the speakers, but as if the room was bigger).

Overall, it's as if heavy curtains have been drawn back from the speakers.
I'm certainly hearing things in my CDs that I wasn't hearing before. I
realise that I'm still listening to the system at present



Interesting post.

Right, sounds like you've got the signal best part sorted. To cap it off
now, go the next step and get it routed through a decent valve amp. Beg,
borrow or steal summat that'll push out about 25-30W a side, switch it on
and give it about 20 minutes to get the 'trons organised, put on something
'full bodied', crank it up about halfway and strap yerself in tight.......!!

(Then come back here and tell me you *didn't* like it!!!)

;-)