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Views wanted on M Audio Delta 66 (Was Hard Disc Player Sound Quality)
"pmailkeey" wrote in message ... On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 06:13:35 -0500, "Arny Krueger" wrote: :)"pmailkeey" wrote in message :) On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:33:36 -0000, "Keith G" :) wrote: :) :) :) :) :) :) :)(How *topical* can this group be - I've got to hook my DAC up to my :) :)soundcard this very afternoon - and this is not the first time this :) has :)happened by a long chalk!!) :) :) :) :) I've a M Audio Delta 66 sound card and wonder what you experts think :) of it quality of sound wise on its analogue outs. I have noticed the :) mains hum is quieter than the CPU fan ! :) :)Please see: :) :)http://www.pcavtech.com/soundcards/delta-66/index.htm :) :)Compare that to a similar report for a good CD player: :) :)http://www.pcavtech.com/play-rec/cd67se/index.htm A DNS lookup error occurred because the request timed out during the lookup. I guess the site's down. Looking at your time of posting I would say you caught them at a bad time too - feeding the gerbils? ;-) |
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 05:57:17 -0500
"Arny Krueger" wrote: Agreed. However, any number of poorly-designed systems have hit the marketplace. We then have reports that a given (incompetently designed) DAC is so *revealing* that it allows you to clearly hear differences between transports and digital interconnect cables... Of course you are supposed to run right out and buy one! **** man, I'll just bin my Arcam DBB3 right now ;-) hehehe -- Spyros lair: http://www.mnementh.co.uk/ |||| Maintainer: arm26 linux Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with ketchup. |
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:47:17 +0000
Kurt Hamster wrote: May as well given the crap you pump through it. You really are a prize ****, arent you? -- Spyros lair: http://www.mnementh.co.uk/ |||| Maintainer: arm26 linux Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with ketchup. |
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:15:07 +0000, Ian Molton wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 08:11:37 +0000 (UTC) (Stewart Pinkerton) wrote: jitter should be *irrelevant* on any well designed system. Even quite large amounts of it. At the point of conversion, it's absolutely critical. That's the main problem with standalone DACs for CD. The point being, of course, that any *WELL* designed system will use a good PLL and thus eliminate the problem. Unfortunately, these are thin on the ground in high-end audio........ Heck, some of those clowns don't even put in the reconstruction filter! No, really, check out AudioNote..................... BTW, a PLL *reduces* the jitter problem, only a synchronous master clock can *eliminate* jitter. -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:25:47 +0000, Ian Molton wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 05:57:17 -0500 "Arny Krueger" wrote: Agreed. However, any number of poorly-designed systems have hit the marketplace. We then have reports that a given (incompetently designed) DAC is so *revealing* that it allows you to clearly hear differences between transports and digital interconnect cables... Of course you are supposed to run right out and buy one! **** man, I'll just bin my Arcam DBB3 right now ;-) Well, that'd be a start - then you could buy a top-class one-box player, such as an Arcam 9 or 23. Problem solved. -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 17:40:37 +0000 (UTC)
(Stewart Pinkerton) wrote: The point being, of course, that any *WELL* designed system will use a good PLL and thus eliminate the problem. Unfortunately, these are thin on the ground in high-end audio........ Heck, some of those clowns don't even put in the reconstruction filter! No, really, check out AudioNote..................... LOL ;-) BTW, a PLL *reduces* the jitter problem, only a synchronous master clock can *eliminate* jitter. nah. as long as we're talking about jitter and not gross long-timebase clock frequency drifts, a good PLL will eliminate it. -- Spyros lair: http://www.mnementh.co.uk/ |||| Maintainer: arm26 linux Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with ketchup. |
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 17:41:55 +0000 (UTC)
(Stewart Pinkerton) wrote: **** man, I'll just bin my Arcam DBB3 right now ;-) Well, that'd be a start - then you could buy a top-class one-box player, such as an Arcam 9 or 23. Problem solved. What exactly is not 'top class' about the DBB3 ? -- Spyros lair: http://www.mnementh.co.uk/ |||| Maintainer: arm26 linux Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with ketchup. |
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 21:37:12 +0000
Chris Isbell wrote: BTW, a PLL *reduces* the jitter problem, only a synchronous master clock can *eliminate* jitter. What about sample rate conversion? pointless, as without MASSIVE buffers its not possible to do without errors or aliasing. better to use a PLL as any quartz clock will give adequate frequency stability within the few-kilohertz range used in audio. with a PLL jitter is irrelevant (with a good design) and you end up with the DAC locked to an adequately stable clock anyway, without the issues involved in reclocking. There are uses for reclocking system (ie. mixing and production uses) but playback isnt one of them. -- Spyros lair: http://www.mnementh.co.uk/ |||| Maintainer: arm26 linux Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with ketchup. |
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 17:34:53 +0000, Ian Molton wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:47:17 +0000 Kurt Hamster wrote: May as well given the crap you pump through it. You really are a prize ****, arent you? OTOH, he's correct. -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
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