"George" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"dj" wrote:

Hmmm lets think here. Who has built the best speakers over the years as
close to what you are trying to accomplish hmm?
Now, what did they use for an encloser...lets see Bose 301,
901...Infinity...Klipsch...My Altec Lansing Voice of Theater?
Now what are they made of.....they are the Best right.....they still
sell
way above anything else on the market 25 years old right?
Sure they do ...just take a look see....you know it now and so it's
obvious,
unless well you don't know **** about speakers or enclosures.....see
that
wasn't hard was it?
MDF, HDF, MFD, WTF?
So now that thats settled...let move on shall we.....ok I have 8 monkeys
to
screw this one board together and...........Oh sorry anyway

So we know we pack speakers correctly using padding right.........what
kind
folks?...I can't hear you? Hmm kickass ones use sand........**** did he
just
say sand? OMG, well we can just use nice foam or insulation...say it
with me
I.N.S.U.L.A.T.I.O.N. now lets slap in some crossovers 2Way, 3Way..pop in
our
pole sockets........

Crap I'm waisting my time just use Plexiglass some acetate and lights
and
you're all done.

djfixx

what exactly is your point
Mdf particle board what ever you want to call it is useless for a pro
speaker
it is way to fragile
sure you can make speakers really cheap and sell them for lots of money
to home hi-fi rubes if you use mdf
but a mdf speaker would not last the truck ride to its first gig in a
pro application
and you definatly can not fly a mdf box so that means at best it is a
piece of DJ **** oh wait you are a DJ so this is why you think this way
sorry
wonder why Meyer /turbosound/eaw don't all take your lead and build mdf
boxes?
ever see a mdf box that fell 12 feet to a concrete deck? we call that
trash
and beacuse it is ****ty material it sucks
George
George, you have our vote. MDF is useless for the construction of anything
worth the weight and moving around. above, good for the car.audio goofs
with their subs- maybe

"George" wrote in message
ever see a mdf box that fell 12 feet to a concrete deck? we call that
trash
and beacuse it is ****ty material it sucks
George
George, you have our vote. MDF is useless for the construction of anything
worth the weight and moving around. above, good for the car.audio goofs
with their subs- maybe

I don;t seem to remember hearing of Clair Bros using MDF...


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what exactly is your point
Mdf particle board what ever you want to call it is useless for a pro
speaker

George, you have our vote. MDF is useless for the construction of anything
worth the weight and moving around. above, good for the car.audio goofs
with their subs- maybe

Well, then there _IS_ the Tannoy CPA-15, DMT-15, etc.
All MDF. The engineered CPA's should be safe to fly, however
they're not designed and built in a garage with a busy cooler full of beer either.

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Have been told today about a Product from a company in Uxbridge UK,
called
"Trimite". Appararently a Primer/Single Coat application used precisely
for
PA/Band enclosures.....

Anyone know of/used this before ?


It's what most of us use for cabs here in Bristol - certainly for
bare wood. Carry round a pot of 'Blackboard Black' for on-the-road
touch-ups as well.

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showt...pagenu mber=1

Looks like I maybe heading back to expoy resin...

On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 01:28:23 GMT, "levyte357"
wrote:

Have been told today about a Product from a company in Uxbridge UK,
called
"Trimite". Appararently a Primer/Single Coat application used precisely
for
PA/Band enclosures.....

Anyone know of/used this before ?


It's what most of us use for cabs here in Bristol - certainly for
bare wood. Carry round a pot of 'Blackboard Black' for on-the-road
touch-ups as well.

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showt...pagenu mber=1

Looks like I maybe heading back to expoy resin...

As an old fart with over 30 years and now retired, those MDF or
PARTICLE BOARD cabinets are good for INSTALLS only. The moment a grip
drops one or runs it into something like a steel stairwell, no amount
of resin or covering is going to keep the thing from getting seriously
trashed. There is the MOISTURE factor. If you truck leaks, or you
use them outdoors, or your storage place leaves a bit to be desired,
they will soak up water like a sponge and fall apart. Plus there is
the weight factor. They will have to be floor load on the
truck/trailer with other items placed ON TOP. Will they take the
stress of a heavy object riding around on top of them in a non air
ride unit? In other words, think about how they are to be used.

Lets look on line for the highest to lowest priced speakers we want to
emulate.....I don't think it's EV.
Did you know A7's or VOT are almost not blowable!
I've had mine since band days and won't give them up for that reason
alone.....Lets see.......hmm where are they used?
Maybe a Huge Rock Concert stacked 6 high? Go to many shows lately? I have,
they're still the most used speaker availabe period.
I have not gone to a show and NOT seen one anywhere in D.C. MD. or VA.
Now are were leaning toward a Mackie type?

"DJ TecThreat" beaniATcharterDOTnetNOSPAM wrote in message
...

"dj" wrote in message
...
Hmmm lets think here. Who has built the best speakers over the years as
close to what you are trying to accomplish hmm?
Now, what did they use for an encloser...lets see Bose 301,
901...Infinity...Klipsch...My Altec Lansing Voice of Theater?
Now what are they made of.....they are the Best right.....they still sell
way above anything else on the market 25 years old right?
Sure they do ...just take a look see....you know it now and so it's
obvious,
unless well you don't know **** about speakers or enclosures.....see that
wasn't hard was it?
MDF, HDF, MFD, WTF?
So now that thats settled...let move on shall we.....ok I have 8 monkeys
to
screw this one board together and...........Oh sorry anyway

So we know we pack speakers correctly using padding right.........what
kind
folks?...I can't hear you? Hmm kickass ones use sand........**** did he
just
say sand? OMG, well we can just use nice foam or insulation...say it with
me
I.N.S.U.L.A.T.I.O.N. now lets slap in some crossovers 2Way, 3Way..pop in
our
pole sockets........

Crap I'm waisting my time just use Plexiglass some acetate and lights and
you're all done.

djfixx

Bose defintly does not make the best speakers thats for sure. If we're
talking PA here, you need to be looking at Turbosound, EV, EAW, Meyer
sound,
not bose.

DJ TecThreat
The Real Threat

My point exactly!!!! It was sarcasm really

"George" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"dj" wrote:

Hmmm lets think here. Who has built the best speakers over the years as
close to what you are trying to accomplish hmm?
Now, what did they use for an encloser...lets see Bose 301,
901...Infinity...Klipsch...My Altec Lansing Voice of Theater?
Now what are they made of.....they are the Best right.....they still sell
way above anything else on the market 25 years old right?
Sure they do ...just take a look see....you know it now and so it's
obvious,
unless well you don't know **** about speakers or enclosures.....see that
wasn't hard was it?
MDF, HDF, MFD, WTF?
So now that thats settled...let move on shall we.....ok I have 8 monkeys
to
screw this one board together and...........Oh sorry anyway

So we know we pack speakers correctly using padding right.........what
kind
folks?...I can't hear you? Hmm kickass ones use sand........**** did he
just
say sand? OMG, well we can just use nice foam or insulation...say it with
me
I.N.S.U.L.A.T.I.O.N. now lets slap in some crossovers 2Way, 3Way..pop in
our
pole sockets........

Crap I'm waisting my time just use Plexiglass some acetate and lights and
you're all done.

djfixx

what exactly is your point
Mdf particle board what ever you want to call it is useless for a pro
speaker
it is way to fragile
sure you can make speakers really cheap and sell them for lots of money
to home hi-fi rubes if you use mdf
but a mdf speaker would not last the truck ride to its first gig in a
pro application
and you definatly can not fly a mdf box so that means at best it is a
piece of DJ **** oh wait you are a DJ so this is why you think this way
sorry
wonder why Meyer /turbosound/eaw don't all take your lead and build mdf
boxes?
ever see a mdf box that fell 12 feet to a concrete deck? we call that
trash
and beacuse it is ****ty material it sucks
George

In article ,
"dj" wrote:

Lets look on line for the highest to lowest priced speakers we want to
emulate.....I don't think it's EV.
Did you know A7's or VOT are almost not blowable!
I've had mine since band days and won't give them up for that reason
alone.....Lets see.......hmm where are they used?
Maybe a Huge Rock Concert stacked 6 high? Go to many shows lately? I have,
they're still the most used speaker availabe period.
I have not gone to a show and NOT seen one anywhere in D.C. MD. or VA.
Now are were leaning toward a Mackie type?

go over to www.prosoundnews.com
they have detailed specs on who is using what and where
I will send you 100.00$ for every mention of a7 or vot speakers used in
thier top 10 concert listings
if you send me 1$ for every listing where a7 or VOT is NOT mentioned
in fact find any shed9minimum 6,000 seats including lawns) or arena or
stadium show(world wide, just one) that is using a7 or VOT as foh
speakers period and I will buy you dinner
George

A7's were the speakers to have at one time for their efficency. They
had no true bottom end (woofer horn was designed for low-mids), no highs
(no tweeters), but they could play very loud. That is what they were
designed to do. A band I was in had clones of them made out of
particle. They sounded good as far as a bar goes, but they were heavy
to move. If you didn't have a bank of Crown DC-300's to work with, the
A7 was a great alternative to get volume.

Klipsh Lascala's were up there for sound also, and they used EV T35
tweeters back mouted which limited the dispersion for the tweeters.

JBL, which wasn't even mentioned, is used alot.

To the originator of this post, all they were wanting was a way to
protect the investment. Saying an A7 won't do what he is wanting is not
the truth. They will play loud music for a bunch of tipsy listeners who
couldn't tell freq response if they had too.

( Been there, done that, got paid - lol)

They will be heavy to move and care must be given them so as to not be
dropped, but they will get the gig done.

The addition of subs and tweeters would help their overall sound though.

"dj" wrote in message
...
My point exactly!!!! It was sarcasm really


lots of stuff, including at least a couple of "points" snipped

Er, just exactly WHAT was your point? Since you top-posted without trimming
anything, and didn't post in context to the "point", how are we to know
exactly what you agreed to, there? Frankly, I didn't read through all the
stuff you didn't trim to try and determine exactly what point you were
referring to, because it would have been too much trouble. Additionally, I
should point out that the question is rhetorical, as I don't really care
WHAT the point was. I just thought that you might like to make a note of
how confusing this style of posting can become so that (should you choose
to) next time you can be more courteous to your reader and trim the
non-relevant bits and post in context so they will know just exactly what
you are referring to. Or not.

Kendall