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Old August 14th 04, 10:01 PM posted to rec.audio.opinion,uk.rec.audio
Clyde Slick
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"normanstrong" wrote in message
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I don't agree. I choose whichever position seems most appropriate.
Usually this turns out to be bottom. But there are occasions when top
posting seems to clarify things a bit, or enables me to get my point
across before the reader even knows what's in the original post. In
any event, it's not a BIG DEAL.


You've got to understand the mind of Middius. He seemt to think that if he
can poke some childish fun at a serious post, he's smarter than the person
making the post.



Krueger 'the idiot' can't follow a thread.
Half the time he doesn't even know who's talking.


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Old August 14th 04, 10:12 PM posted to rec.audio.misc,rec.audio.opinion,uk.rec.audio
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Stewart Pinkerton wrote:

On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 16:52:56 +0100, tony sayer
wrote:

In article , Arny Krueger
writes


We did some investigations of high end CD/DVD players a few weeks ago, and
found that common high end practice seems to be to assemble the drive and
circuit boards from mid-fi machines into a nice looking case, maybe add a
gratuitous output buffer board, jack the price up by a factor of about 20,
and let the fun begin.


Now that...I could believe!.......


You'd better believe it! Deep inside the beautiful alloy casing of the
Mark Levinson 'Reference' transport at some $15,000, you'll find
exactly the same Philips industrial transport mech (and associated
electronics) as is used in the jukebox at your local pub.......


No surprise there then !

Wasn't there a better transport available ?

At least my old Denon DCD-1700 has a transport that feels of 'battleship
quality'. In fact the entire player is built like that. Unlike many modern CD
players that you could pick up with your little finger, this is one that
actually inspires confidence due to its sheer weight !


Graham

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Old August 14th 04, 10:16 PM posted to rec.audio.opinion,uk.rec.audio
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Clyde Slick wrote:

Krueger 'the idiot' can't follow a thread.
Half the time he doesn't even know who's talking.


He's a lot smarter than you sonny !

For starters, he actually knows some things about the science of electronics and
how it relates to audio.

I'm bedazzled by the number of ppl ( inc luding you ) posting personal insults
as if they were valid arguments.


Graham


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Old August 14th 04, 11:00 PM posted to rec.audio.misc,rec.audio.opinion,uk.rec.audio
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Pooh Bear said:

You'd better believe it! Deep inside the beautiful alloy casing of the
Mark Levinson 'Reference' transport at some $15,000, you'll find
exactly the same Philips industrial transport mech (and associated
electronics) as is used in the jukebox at your local pub.......


No surprise there then !


Wasn't there a better transport available ?


What's wrong with the Philips CD12 or their later reincarnations?
It's a teriffic mechanism. Arcam and many other good players use them
as well.
For audio use, I prefer the TEAC VRDS or Pioneer stable platter
mechanism, though. But that's because I'm a DIY-er who always looks
for things to improve. :-)

At least my old Denon DCD-1700 has a transport that feels of 'battleship
quality'. In fact the entire player is built like that. Unlike many modern CD
players that you could pick up with your little finger, this is one that
actually inspires confidence due to its sheer weight !


You will note that my recently acquired Pioneer stable platter player
sounds way better after I've filled it up to its top with concrete,
note.

--
Sander deWaal
"SOA of a KT88? Sufficient."
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Old August 15th 04, 12:01 AM posted to rec.audio.misc,rec.audio.opinion,uk.rec.audio
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Sander deWaal wrote:

Pooh Bear said:

You'd better believe it! Deep inside the beautiful alloy casing of the
Mark Levinson 'Reference' transport at some $15,000, you'll find
exactly the same Philips industrial transport mech (and associated
electronics) as is used in the jukebox at your local pub.......


No surprise there then !


Wasn't there a better transport available ?


What's wrong with the Philips CD12 or their later reincarnations?
It's a teriffic mechanism. Arcam and many other good players use them
as well.


I have to confess that I'm slightly biased against Philips *mechanisms*.

Going *way back* Philips have engineered very mechanically weak products that
simply break very easily.

I dare say that they may have learnt their lesson but I would like to see evidence
of same !


For audio use, I prefer the TEAC VRDS or Pioneer stable platter
mechanism, though. But that's because I'm a DIY-er who always looks
for things to improve. :-)

At least my old Denon DCD-1700 has a transport that feels of 'battleship
quality'. In fact the entire player is built like that. Unlike many modern CD
players that you could pick up with your little finger, this is one that
actually inspires confidence due to its sheer weight !


You will note that my recently acquired Pioneer stable platter player
sounds way better after I've filled it up to its top with concrete,
note.


Platter ? Vinyl ?

My Garrard 401 rumbles like crazy if you don't mount it in a 'block of stone' !


Graham

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Old August 15th 04, 12:57 AM posted to rec.audio.misc,rec.audio.opinion,uk.rec.audio
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"George M. Middius" wrote in message


You're still fantasizing about me, aren't you. Allow me to feed your
paranoia.... Yes, I am great and powerful. I have commanded people
with a vested interest in the audio industry, such as Paul
Bamborough, Glenn Zelniker, and John Atkinson, to take time away from
their businesses in order to discredit the lowly Krooborg on Usenet.
And these people have done my bidding, for I am lord of all I survey,
and they are terrified of defying me.


Seems like a serious waste of modest audio talents.


You put on a raincoat before hopping on a hooker.


What hooker?

You molest your children after they die.


I leave that to you Middius. You molested my child after he died.

You write a check for the doctor bill and then put your stool sample right

on the
check.


Never heard of medical insurance, did you Middius?

You get thrown out of your church because of accusations of
pedophilia and collecting kiddie porn, then you tell the world the
accusations are true.


You're delusional, Middius.

Do you remember your previous conspiracy theories, Turdy? In the
past, the mastermind was always Lord Atkinson.


You might actually be Atkinson, Middius.

Are you telling us all
those crazy rants were lies? Why did you tell dozens of lies about
John Atkinson?


What lies were those, Middius?


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Old August 15th 04, 01:08 AM posted to rec.audio.opinion,uk.rec.audio
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"Pooh Bear" wrote in message
...
Clyde Slick wrote:

Krueger 'the idiot' can't follow a thread.
Half the time he doesn't even know who's talking.


He's a lot smarter than you sonny !

For starters, he actually knows some things about the science of

electronics and
how it relates to audio.


Anybody got some Krueger basement pictures to show this guy?

I'm bedazzled by the number of ppl ( inc luding you ) posting personal

insults
as if they were valid arguments.


Krueger has a history of having insulted some of the
best minds in the business. I find it comical.
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Old August 15th 04, 01:09 AM posted to rec.audio.opinion,uk.rec.audio
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"Clyde Slick" wrote in message

"Pooh Bear" wrote in message
...
Clyde Slick wrote:

Krueger 'the idiot' can't follow a thread.
Half the time he doesn't even know who's talking.


He's a lot smarter than you sonny !

For starters, he actually knows some things about the science of
electronics and how it relates to audio.


Anybody got some Krueger basement pictures to show this guy?


There are no such things.

However, there is this:

http://www.provide.net/~djcarlst/atos_abk.gif

I'm bedazzled by the number of ppl ( inc luding you ) posting
personal insults as if they were valid arguments.


Krueger has a history of having insulted some of the
best minds in the business.


Not hardly! Your *best minds* were some of the lamest well-known losers in
the business, particularly after you lobotomized them.

I find it comical.


You are comical, Middius.


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Old August 15th 04, 01:26 AM posted to rec.audio.opinion,uk.rec.audio
Clyde Slick
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Clyde Slick" wrote in message

"Pooh Bear" wrote in message
...
Clyde Slick wrote:

Krueger 'the idiot' can't follow a thread.
Half the time he doesn't even know who's talking.

He's a lot smarter than you sonny !

For starters, he actually knows some things about the science of
electronics and how it relates to audio.


Anybody got some Krueger basement pictures to show this guy?


There are no such things.

However, there is this:

http://www.provide.net/~djcarlst/atos_abk.gif

I'm bedazzled by the number of ppl ( inc luding you ) posting
personal insults as if they were valid arguments.


Krueger has a history of having insulted some of the
best minds in the business.


Not hardly! Your *best minds* were some of the lamest well-known losers in
the business, particularly after you lobotomized them.

I find it comical.


You are comical, Middius.



However, I'm Slick.
Have you talked to a good neurologist lately?


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Old August 15th 04, 01:34 AM posted to rec.audio.opinion,uk.rec.audio
Arny Krueger
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"Clyde Slick" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Clyde Slick" wrote in message

"Pooh Bear" wrote in
message ...
Clyde Slick wrote:

Krueger 'the idiot' can't follow a thread.
Half the time he doesn't even know who's talking.

He's a lot smarter than you sonny !

For starters, he actually knows some things about the science of
electronics and how it relates to audio.


Anybody got some Krueger basement pictures to show this guy?


There are no such things.

However, there is this:

http://www.provide.net/~djcarlst/atos_abk.gif

I'm bedazzled by the number of ppl ( inc luding you ) posting
personal insults as if they were valid arguments.


Krueger has a history of having insulted some of the
best minds in the business.


Not hardly! Your *best minds* were some of the lamest well-known
losers in the business, particularly after you lobotomized them.

I find it comical.


You are comical, Middius.


However, I'm Slick.


No, you've called yourself Slick. Slick isn't your real name.

Have you talked to a good neurologist lately?


Don't think I know any, socially.


 




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