On 22 Oct 2004 16:55:51 GMT, ohawker (Andy
Evans) wrote:

Perhaps you should (ask Don), if you 'design' without proper measuring gear to
test your work...............

Oh, come on, Stewart, Don is hardly up to speed with contemporary valve
technology. As I've said for now the nth + n+n time I do test my amps.


Andy, I studied that list of your favourite latest technology,
contemporary state of the art valves. How come they appear to be
pre-war (and I'm not talking the Gulf war, you understand)?

d
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

"Ian Molton" wrote


snip rant


If the valvies and vinylphiles would simply *STOP CLAIMING* that their
setups are *HI FI* there would be no arguments here.


Then there would be no posts.... :-)


Btw, keith - if im in st. neots I'll try to get in contact, ok?


Fine - assuming you are still subscribed and can see this... ;-)

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On 22 Oct 2004 15:13:34 GMT, ohawker (Andy
Evans) wrote:

Then how come you want to screw it up with a distorting, phase shifting,
frequency-coloured valve amp?

We all know what rubbish to expect from card carrying mambers of the "all
valve
amps are inadequate" club. You're not adding anything to the stale heap of
prejudices that were out of date before King Alfred burned the cakes.

No answer then I thought that might be the case.

You like the distorted sound of valves - just say it, nobody will
mind.


I've only just got round to this thread (looks a bit scary to me! :-), but
put me down as one who 'prefers the distortion of valves' and I'll put you
down as one who 'prefers the distortion of transistors' then.

There, job done, no big deal either way.... :-)

Andy, I studied that list of your favourite latest technology, contemporary
state of the art valves. How come they appear to be
pre-war (and I'm not talking the Gulf war, you understand)?

Ah! Progress. Yep - some old valves some new - you did notice the ECC99 I hope?
You now have at your disposal a list of valves with tested distortion figures.
Good start. Next - implementation.

=== Andy Evans ===
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I've only just got round to this thread (looks a bit scary to me! :-), but put
me down as one who 'prefers the distortion of valves' and I'll put you down as
one who 'prefers the distortion of transistors' then. There, job done, no big
deal either way.... :-)

Hello Keith - I admire your composure! I'm afraid my Welsh blood must have
shades of Owain Glyndwr in the background.

=== Andy Evans ===
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On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 18:22:50 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On 22 Oct 2004 15:13:34 GMT, ohawker (Andy
Evans) wrote:

Then how come you want to screw it up with a distorting, phase shifting,
frequency-coloured valve amp?

We all know what rubbish to expect from card carrying mambers of the "all
valve
amps are inadequate" club. You're not adding anything to the stale heap of
prejudices that were out of date before King Alfred burned the cakes.

No answer then I thought that might be the case.

You like the distorted sound of valves - just say it, nobody will
mind.


I've only just got round to this thread (looks a bit scary to me! :-), but
put me down as one who 'prefers the distortion of valves' and I'll put you
down as one who 'prefers the distortion of transistors' then.

There, job done, no big deal either way.... :-)



Too far away to even sting. Keith, I know you can do MUCH better! :-)

d
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

Now you may say that this means that you don't need feedback - but it is
there, whether you have put it there specifically or not.

Of course - I was talking about global NFB - I already said in a previous post
that local feedback is present in circuits. We're not disagreeing on this.

=== Andy Evans ===
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Audio, music and health pages and interesting links.

On 22 Oct 2004 17:26:09 GMT, ohawker (Andy
Evans) wrote:

Andy, I studied that list of your favourite latest technology, contemporary
state of the art valves. How come they appear to be
pre-war (and I'm not talking the Gulf war, you understand)?

Ah! Progress. Yep - some old valves some new - you did notice the ECC99 I hope?
You now have at your disposal a list of valves with tested distortion figures.
Good start. Next - implementation.

So now you are revealing that you don't understand the difference
between a system spec and a component spec. It only gets worse.

BTW - where's that measured performance data you have for your amp? It
will only take a dozen lines pasted into your reply to this post.

d
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

On 22 Oct 2004 17:30:35 GMT, ohawker (Andy
Evans) wrote:

Now you may say that this means that you don't need feedback - but it is
there, whether you have put it there specifically or not.

Of course - I was talking about global NFB - I already said in a previous post
that local feedback is present in circuits. We're not disagreeing on this.

You said there was an alternative to feedback for making valves linear
- not global feedback.

d
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:41:38 +0000, Don Pearce wrote:


Now you are wrong. As far as electronics is concerned, the search is
essentially over. I can reproduce at home nearly enough exactly what the
producer wanted me to reproduce. Of course it then goes through the
speakers and the room, and everything falls apart in a heap. That is no
reason not to do ones best up to that point though.


Nope, I don't think I'm that far out. What you hear can be very close to
what was recorded - not necessarily what the producer wanted, but close
enough to satisfy his recording deadline. If you got this 100% accurate it
would still not be true to what went into the mike at the beginning.
Given this, isn't it more satisfying to play it back in a manner that
makes it enjoyable to listen to - and to hell with "Fidelity", whatever
that is? Bring back tone controls! If my ears want a bathtub-shaped
response curve and 20% even-harmonic distortion then so what if it makes
me happy? Even nicer if I can see valves glowing in the dark from my
listening seat. :-)

More seriously, I can see the point in making your own recordings & trying
to recreate the recording session in your living room. That is the true
race for "Hi-Fi", not playback of commercial recordings. As, possibly, the
performer, the sound engineer, producer and listener all rolled into one
you are in the ideal position to talk about accuracy in sound
reproduction. I'm willing to bet, though, that even those that attempt
this are always tempted to add or remove a bit of "something" to or
from the final recording - completely losing the point of Hi-Fi!

--
Mick
(no M$ software on here... :-) )
Web: http://www.nascom.info