On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:17:31 +0100, "Mike Gilmour"
wrote:

What worries me is this generalisation of valve amplifiers. If an enthusiast
is serious about audio then will know that good well designed valve
amplifiers will cost more. In spite of the High End generalisations there
are many competant valve power amplifiers out as well as poorly designed
ones. We all know marketing is to blame in a lot of respects but it is also
the duty of the comix to show true measurements regardless of their
advertising revenue.

I think we all deal in generalisations, and I hope I have made it
fairly clear that there are good valve amplifiers - although at best
all they do is approach the quality of a good SS. I think you are
wrong, though, in your assessment that there are as many good ones as
bad ones out there.

Mike
PS I'm completing an application to Ofcom for new small scale community
radio license for Inverness. Begging bowl still out ;-)


I have been dealing with Ofcom over the issue of a national license
now for a couple of years. It is like wading through treacle. Good
luck with yours.

d
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

In the above I refer, of course, to the run of the mill valve amp - not the
kind that has been designed and built by a real engineer to remove such
problems - it can be done, but typically isn't.

I've never referred on this newsgroup to 'an average valve amp' in fact I've
gone out of my way to list the requirements I have for a good quality valve
amp. I build good quality valve amps, and so do others - whether engineers or
not. A whole heap of people build valve amps. There are a whole heap of
newsgroups and forums for people who build state of the art valve amps.
enthusiasts have been doing this for years and years of their lives. they are
inteligent and musical people - they prefer valve amps. How many times do I
have to say it before it sinks in MANY PEOPLE PREFER VALVE AMPS. No, they don't
prefer colorations. Yes they are completely broadminded and use solid state
elsewhere (in my case my MC amp). We are SICK AND TIRED of hearing people call
valve amps inferior and coloured. The people that do are NOT in our living
rooms, they have NOT heard our equipment and they are GENERALISING from a
limited set of beliefs. Goddam it, when is this nonsense going to stop. Andy

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To linearise a valve amp and remove dependence on mu values of individual
valves, you need plenty of gain to permit
plenty of feedback.

No - this is not necessarily what you need. It is one solution but not the only
one.

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On 22 Oct 2004 13:38:01 GMT, ohawker (Andy
Evans) wrote:

To linearise a valve amp and remove dependence on mu values of individual
valves, you need plenty of gain to permit
plenty of feedback.

No - this is not necessarily what you need. It is one solution but not the only
one.

Tell me...

d
Pearce Consulting
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Valvies are valvies because they prefer the unremovable colouration that
cheap valve amps provide.

More parrot like nonsense.

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Those who listen to CD through solid state are the ones who are trying to
remove
their gear from the equation, and listen just to the music.

********. I'm a professional musician and I've taken quite enough nonsense on
this newsgroup. I listen to music, I compose music, I play music. I do so on
equipment which is best suited to the purpose.

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On 22 Oct 2004 13:36:16 GMT, ohawker (Andy
Evans) wrote:

In the above I refer, of course, to the run of the mill valve amp - not the
kind that has been designed and built by a real engineer to remove such
problems - it can be done, but typically isn't.

I've never referred on this newsgroup to 'an average valve amp' in fact I've
gone out of my way to list the requirements I have for a good quality valve
amp. I build good quality valve amps, and so do others - whether engineers or
not. A whole heap of people build valve amps. There are a whole heap of
newsgroups and forums for people who build state of the art valve amps.
enthusiasts have been doing this for years and years of their lives. they are
inteligent and musical people - they prefer valve amps. How many times do I
have to say it before it sinks in MANY PEOPLE PREFER VALVE AMPS. No, they don't
prefer colorations. Yes they are completely broadminded and use solid state
elsewhere (in my case my MC amp). We are SICK AND TIRED of hearing people call
valve amps inferior and coloured. The people that do are NOT in our living
rooms, they have NOT heard our equipment and they are GENERALISING from a
limited set of beliefs. Goddam it, when is this nonsense going to stop. Andy

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Andy,

In you stated that you
have no test equipment other than your DVM so you have not the
slightest idea of the quality of your valve amps. I had to spell out
to you what a Variac was, and how it works, so please don't start
trying to claim any sort of engineering credentials to support your
position - you have none.

If you have not refined your designs through several iterations,
making improvements each time (which you can't without some objective
measuring kit), then I'm sorry - but they are coloured. Shouting won't
make it otherwise.

Just face it - you like the sound of valve amps.

d
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

On 22 Oct 2004 13:46:48 GMT, ohawker (Andy
Evans) wrote:

Those who listen to CD through solid state are the ones who are trying to
remove
their gear from the equation, and listen just to the music.

********. I'm a professional musician and I've taken quite enough nonsense on
this newsgroup. I listen to music, I compose music, I play music. I do so on
equipment which is best suited to the purpose.


A professional musician? OK - all is explained and all is forgiven -
early onset deafness is what this is all about.

Sorry

d
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

Jean Hiraga in the 70s I believe, showing why moving coil cartridges like the
EMT sounded better by looking at their harmonic spectrum.

Reference?

It was an article in HiFi news that started a lot of debate. Don't have the
year, unfortunately.

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Tell me...

I have.

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