tony sayer wrote:

Not being anti-british but I bet the build quality will improve
considerably.... and it may no be too long before China rules the audio
roost...too clever by 'arf eh?

Yes, perhaps they may make a better job of running UK Ltd.......

Given the quality of much British management - wouldn't be hard !


Graham

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tony sayer wrote:

Not being anti-british but I bet the build quality will improve
considerably.... and it may no be too long before China rules the audio
roost...too clever by 'arf eh?

Yes, perhaps they may make a better job of running UK Ltd.......

Given the quality of much British management - wouldn't be hard !


'British management' with its 'us and them' mindset is the root of very
nearly all ills in this country. Trust me on this - there's a massively long
explanation available but I'd really prefer not to have to bother with
it.....

In article , Keith G
writes

"Pooh Bear" wrote in message
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tony sayer wrote:

Not being anti-british but I bet the build quality will improve
considerably.... and it may no be too long before China rules the audio
roost...too clever by 'arf eh?

Yes, perhaps they may make a better job of running UK Ltd.......

Given the quality of much British management - wouldn't be hard !


'British management' with its 'us and them' mindset is the root of very
nearly all ills in this country. Trust me on this - there's a massively long
explanation available but I'd really prefer not to have to bother with
it.....


Lets hear it then. Reckon it'll be much the same as the lecture I had
from Derek Scotland of Audiolab many years ago.....

--
Tony Sayer

tony sayer wrote:

In article , Keith G
writes

"Pooh Bear" wrote in message
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tony sayer wrote:

Not being anti-british but I bet the build quality will improve
considerably.... and it may no be too long before China rules the audio
roost...too clever by 'arf eh?

Yes, perhaps they may make a better job of running UK Ltd.......

Given the quality of much British management - wouldn't be hard !


'British management' with its 'us and them' mindset is the root of very
nearly all ills in this country. Trust me on this - there's a massively long
explanation available but I'd really prefer not to have to bother with
it.....


Lets hear it then. Reckon it'll be much the same as the lecture I had
from Derek Scotland of Audiolab many years ago.....

I'm all ears !

Graham

tony sayer wrote:
In article , Keith G
writes


'British management' with its 'us and them' mindset is the root of very
nearly all ills in this country. Trust me on this - there's a massively long
explanation available but I'd really prefer not to have to bother with
it.....



Lets hear it then. Reckon it'll be much the same as the lecture I had
from Derek Scotland of Audiolab many years ago.....


so what did Derek have to say? I thought he was the chief designer in
Audiolab and Philip Swift was the person who ran the company.

In article , Tat Chan
writes
tony sayer wrote:
In article , Keith G
writes


'British management' with its 'us and them' mindset is the root of very
nearly all ills in this country. Trust me on this - there's a massively long
explanation available but I'd really prefer not to have to bother with
it.....



Lets hear it then. Reckon it'll be much the same as the lecture I had
from Derek Scotland of Audiolab many years ago.....


so what did Derek have to say? I thought he was the chief designer in
Audiolab and Philip Swift was the person who ran the company.

Well that was correct, but Derek was a very, very, good engineer. The
guy that could do for 5 bob that everyone else took a quid for, and
still get the same result.

Worked there in 1983. Stuff such as metalwork would come in, Derek would
put the callipers on it find it was wrong check another same again and
another chuck one out of the window swear and mutter...

" must send their quality control inspector's guide dog a Christmas
card"

Next the PCB's would have tracks missing, the capacitors from LCR would
have their ends not welded, the transistors would come in at the wrong
price for the quality we need, can get them from Japan OK trouble is I
have to take 10,000 a month etc, etc..

Then the control knobs were moulded wrong, and they couldn't get anyone
to make them in England etc English moulders were only capable of making
children's piddle pots etc...

Now where it went or was going wrong was due to the English class
system.



More later so stay tuned...........
--
Tony Sayer

"tony sayer" wrote



Now where it went or was going wrong was due to the English class
system.


Oi!

You asked me and I was going to tell *you* that!! ('Us and them', executive
canteens/toilets etc. etc..!!)




More later so stay tuned...........


Yes, you too....

tony sayer wrote:

In article , Tat Chan
writes

so what did Derek have to say? I thought he was the chief designer in
Audiolab and Philip Swift was the person who ran the company.


Well that was correct, but Derek was a very, very, good engineer. The
guy that could do for 5 bob that everyone else took a quid for, and
still get the same result.

Sounds like a great person to work with!


Worked there in 1983.

if you don't mind me asking, what did you do there? Audiolab only got started in
the early 80s, didn't they?

Stuff such as metalwork would come in, Derek would
put the callipers on it find it was wrong check another same again and
another chuck one out of the window swear and mutter...

" must send their quality control inspector's guide dog a Christmas
card"

Next the PCB's would have tracks missing, the capacitors from LCR would
have their ends not welded, the transistors would come in at the wrong
price for the quality we need, can get them from Japan OK trouble is I
have to take 10,000 a month etc, etc..

Then the control knobs were moulded wrong, and they couldn't get anyone
to make them in England etc English moulders were only capable of making
children's piddle pots etc...



Now where it went or was going wrong was due to the English class
system.


Instead of the Asian feudal system where the boss goes "do as I tell you, I am
boss. Else I will find someone else to do your job". And note that unions are a
rarity in Asia, and if they exist, they have limited power (most of them can't
call a strike, not legally anyway)

In article ,
Tat Chan wrote:
Instead of the Asian feudal system where the boss goes "do as I tell
you, I am boss. Else I will find someone else to do your job". And note
that unions are a rarity in Asia, and if they exist, they have limited
power (most of them can't call a strike, not legally anyway)

Pretty well like the UK these days. But this change hasn't stopped jobs or
manufacturing going elsewhere. There's a lot more to this than just the
cost or quality of the labour. Of course it suits the 'owners' to make out
that is the main reason.

--
*Rehab is for quitters.

Dave Plowman London SW
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On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 18:59:23 +1000, Tat Chan
wrote:

tony sayer wrote:

Now where it went or was going wrong was due to the English class
system.

Instead of the Asian feudal system where the boss goes "do as I tell you, I am
boss. Else I will find someone else to do your job". And note that unions are a
rarity in Asia, and if they exist, they have limited power (most of them can't
call a strike, not legally anyway)

Do not confuse 'Asia' with Japan, where a quite different management
system has proven to be massively effective, to the extent that it is
now widely copied in the West.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering