For a while I have been looking into alternatives for recording vinyl:
1. External USB soundcard (have a notebook running Win98) - haven't
found any that seems stable on stock Win98 (at least not at reasonble
cost).
2. Dedicated CR-R recorder.
3. MP3 player with line in and wav support.

What is the best (suggestion on brands/models).

Problem with 1 seems mostly to get it working without dropouts in the
USB, sometimes limitations on setting volume (Edirol UA-1A), finding
software to do the recording (including setting volume - finding peak
signal of recording to avoid clipping).

A MP3 player with wav seems to be the simplest but I don't know what
sound quality you get.

What about practical problems with setting volume on a dedicated CR-R
recorder?

Would appreciate som comments from people who has tried this.

Ronny

Ronny Svensson wrote:
For a while I have been looking into alternatives for recording vinyl:
1. External USB soundcard (have a notebook running Win98) - haven't
found any that seems stable on stock Win98 (at least not at reasonble
cost).
2. Dedicated CR-R recorder.
3. MP3 player with line in and wav support.

What is the best (suggestion on brands/models).

Problem with 1 seems mostly to get it working without dropouts in the
USB, sometimes limitations on setting volume (Edirol UA-1A), finding
software to do the recording (including setting volume - finding peak
signal of recording to avoid clipping).

A MP3 player with wav seems to be the simplest but I don't know what
sound quality you get.

What about practical problems with setting volume on a dedicated CR-R
recorder?

Would appreciate som comments from people who has tried this.

Ronny

I think it depends on a couple of things - related to money, convenience
and quality of recording.

I wouldn't rule a computer out - just take a line out from the amplifier
and plug it into the line in of the computer's sound card. You're rather
at the mercy of the computer's electronics, but it should work fine. If
your laptop doesn't have a soundcard (which I'd guess might be the case)
Creative do a cheapish USB device, but then win98 isn't the most USB
friendly OS IME.

I went the the standalone CDR (NAD 660 I thnk) route a while ago and
recently bought a Yamaha HD CD recorder (HD1300?). Designed for the job.
On levels you do have to manually set the recording level, which is
sometimes a little low using my turntable but never a problem in
practice. And you need to bear in mind the copy protection for first
generation cd copy and the extra cost of audio cds for consumer units.
But overall I think they're just the thing, if you can afford it and you
get a bit sick of staring into a computer screen.

I've got no recommendation model-wise. I did some research (newgroups,
web) before buying - I found not much difference in sound; you pay for
name, facilities and build. The NAD and Yamaha have never missed a beat.

Rob

I think doing it all via the laptop might be the limiting factor. I've done
a lot of vinyl to CD, (WAV and MP3). My hi-fi is connected to a good quality
stereo soundcard (as opposed to the multi-channel do-everything-gamer-card).
I record analogue into software (cool edit 2000) which can amplify to my
hearts content. These 'hand recorded' tracks always sound better to me than
the purely digital rips from CDEx.
There are a few audiophile soundcards out there for less than £200, and I'm
told that 'Audacity' is good free editing software.

Dave W.

"Ronny Svensson" wrote in message
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For a while I have been looking into alternatives for recording vinyl:
1. External USB soundcard (have a notebook running Win98) - haven't
found any that seems stable on stock Win98 (at least not at reasonble
cost).
2. Dedicated CR-R recorder.
3. MP3 player with line in and wav support.

What is the best (suggestion on brands/models).

Problem with 1 seems mostly to get it working without dropouts in the
USB, sometimes limitations on setting volume (Edirol UA-1A), finding
software to do the recording (including setting volume - finding peak
signal of recording to avoid clipping).

A MP3 player with wav seems to be the simplest but I don't know what
sound quality you get.

What about practical problems with setting volume on a dedicated CR-R
recorder?

Would appreciate som comments from people who has tried this.

Ronny

In article , Ronny
Svensson wrote:


What about practical problems with setting volume on a dedicated CR-R
recorder?

Would appreciate som comments from people who has tried this.

I bought an audio CD-RW recorded a few years ago. My experience is that
setting suitable levels and making recordings from LPs is simple and works
fine.

Slainte,

Jim

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For a while I have been looking into alternatives for recording vinyl:
1. External USB soundcard (have a notebook running Win98) - haven't
found any that seems stable on stock Win98 (at least not at reasonble
cost).
2. Dedicated CR-R recorder.
3. MP3 player with line in and wav support.

What is the best (suggestion on brands/models).

Problem with 1 seems mostly to get it working without dropouts in the
USB, sometimes limitations on setting volume (Edirol UA-1A), finding
software to do the recording (including setting volume - finding peak
signal of recording to avoid clipping).

A MP3 player with wav seems to be the simplest but I don't know what
sound quality you get.

What about practical problems with setting volume on a dedicated CR-R
recorder?

Would appreciate som comments from people who has tried this.

Ronny

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I would be cautious about Win98 concerning the USB issues.
With Win98SE, there should not be any problems.
Make sure which one you have.("System Properties" & "General" to find out)

The way I do LP 2 CD
http://www.a-reny.com/iexplorer/restauration.html

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http://www.a-reny.com

I have the same recorder and my husband (recording from sat TV) is building
up a great archive of Jazz CDs. Wonderful sound!
However, I initially bought the recorder for the purpose of copying my
vinyl and I've just started to do so but unfortunately I can't work out how
to get the tracks placed automatically, I was successful in doing so only
by listening and place tracks manually.
I am mainly recording full operas which require much time.
Do you know whether I might be doing something wrong when I record and that
is why I don't get the tracks placed automatically?
Can you please give me some advice?

Many thanks.

TG

Rob wrote:

Ronny Svensson wrote:
For a while I have been looking into alternatives for recording vinyl:
1. External USB soundcard (have a notebook running Win98) - haven't
found any that seems stable on stock Win98 (at least not at reasonble
cost).
2. Dedicated CR-R recorder.
3. MP3 player with line in and wav support.

What is the best (suggestion on brands/models).

Problem with 1 seems mostly to get it working without dropouts in the
USB, sometimes limitations on setting volume (Edirol UA-1A), finding
software to do the recording (including setting volume - finding peak
signal of recording to avoid clipping).

A MP3 player with wav seems to be the simplest but I don't know what
sound quality you get.

What about practical problems with setting volume on a dedicated CR-R
recorder?

Would appreciate som comments from people who has tried this.

Ronny

I think it depends on a couple of things - related to money, convenience
and quality of recording.

I wouldn't rule a computer out - just take a line out from the amplifier
and plug it into the line in of the computer's sound card. You're rather
at the mercy of the computer's electronics, but it should work fine. If
your laptop doesn't have a soundcard (which I'd guess might be the case)
Creative do a cheapish USB device, but then win98 isn't the most USB
friendly OS IME.

I went the the standalone CDR (NAD 660 I thnk) route a while ago and
recently bought a Yamaha HD CD recorder (HD1300?). Designed for the job.
On levels you do have to manually set the recording level, which is
sometimes a little low using my turntable but never a problem in
practice. And you need to bear in mind the copy protection for first
generation cd copy and the extra cost of audio cds for consumer units.
But overall I think they're just the thing, if you can afford it and you
get a bit sick of staring into a computer screen.

I've got no recommendation model-wise. I did some research (newgroups,
web) before buying - I found not much difference in sound; you pay for
name, facilities and build. The NAD and Yamaha have never missed a beat.

Rob

I have been using dedicated CD recorders for the past 4 years or so and am
very well satisfied with the results. I always prefer dedicated equipment
and a dedicated recorder fits in much better with a component audio system
than a PC, at least for my purposes. Pioneer recorders have usually
recieved great press reviews and I have two of them. The JVC which was my
first one seemed a bit cumbersome for my use and defaulted to selectable
parameters I did not wish to use. More recently I bought a Sony RCD-W500C
which also does a good job. I would strongly recommend a model with separate
playback and record units as it makes copying a CD simple and easy in most
cases. Most of the dedicated recorders will automatically make an Audio
COpy of a disc if for some reason ( such as copyright protection ) a digital
copy can not be made. Most of the consumer recorders will not make a digital
copy of a copy but will make a digital copy of an original ( store bought
type ) disc.

My primary reason for getting a CD Recorder was to record many of my
treasured 45's purchased over the past 5 decades, onto CD and I have had
great results with this as well as LP Albums. Record level is set in a
similar way as you would on a cassette tape recorder with some exceptions.
If you go over 0db you will get a blank spot in the playback. If you are
recording a record with scratches, these may push the level over th 0db
mark and cause a momentary silence in your finished CD. To overcome this I
set the level to the point where the loudest scratch will not go over the
0db mark whenever possible.

There are a few semi-pro and pro recorders such as Tascam and others that
will record onto regular computer discs instead of having to use the
specially encoded discs for consumer type dedicated CD Recorders although
the pro models will initially cost you more.

Sometimes shopping around can get you better prices on the blanks discs for
the consumer Dedicated Recorders. I am in the USA and pay $18.00 for a
spindle pack of 50 discs which comes out to about 36 cents ( US ) per disc.
On one of my recent visits to the UK I noticed Richer SOunds was selling
individual discs in plastic jewell boxes for something like 49p each with
the Maxell Brand on them. I used a few when I was over there and they
seemed to do a good job.

I have no experience in recording audio onto CD using a computer yet so the
dedicated audio component style recorder was the way for me to go and I am
very happy with that. Out of the machines I have, I prefer the Pioneer to
the others for sound and ease of use although that is a personal preference.
"Ronny Svensson" wrote in message
om...
For a while I have been looking into alternatives for recording vinyl:
1. External USB soundcard (have a notebook running Win98) - haven't
found any that seems stable on stock Win98 (at least not at reasonble
cost).
2. Dedicated CR-R recorder.
3. MP3 player with line in and wav support.

What is the best (suggestion on brands/models).

Problem with 1 seems mostly to get it working without dropouts in the
USB, sometimes limitations on setting volume (Edirol UA-1A), finding
software to do the recording (including setting volume - finding peak
signal of recording to avoid clipping).

A MP3 player with wav seems to be the simplest but I don't know what
sound quality you get.

What about practical problems with setting volume on a dedicated CR-R
recorder?

Would appreciate som comments from people who has tried this.

Ronny

Tety Garf wrote:
I have the same recorder and my husband (recording from sat TV) is building
up a great archive of Jazz CDs. Wonderful sound!
However, I initially bought the recorder for the purpose of copying my
vinyl and I've just started to do so but unfortunately I can't work out how
to get the tracks placed automatically, I was successful in doing so only
by listening and place tracks manually.
I am mainly recording full operas which require much time.
Do you know whether I might be doing something wrong when I record and that
is why I don't get the tracks placed automatically?
Can you please give me some advice?

Many thanks.

TG

Rob wrote:

Do you mean the NAD or the Yamaha?

Rob

It is the Yamaha CDR-HD1300
may thanks.
TG

Rob wrote:

Tety Garf wrote:
I have the same recorder and my husband (recording from sat TV) is building
up a great archive of Jazz CDs. Wonderful sound!
However, I initially bought the recorder for the purpose of copying my
vinyl and I've just started to do so but unfortunately I can't work out how
to get the tracks placed automatically, I was successful in doing so only
by listening and place tracks manually.
I am mainly recording full operas which require much time.
Do you know whether I might be doing something wrong when I record and that
is why I don't get the tracks placed automatically?
Can you please give me some advice?

Many thanks.

TG

Rob wrote:

Do you mean the NAD or the Yamaha?

Rob

On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 20:19:55 GMT, Tety Garf
wrote:

It is the Yamaha CDR-HD1300
may thanks.
TG

Rob wrote:

Tety Garf wrote:
I have the same recorder and my husband (recording from sat TV) is building
up a great archive of Jazz CDs. Wonderful sound!
However, I initially bought the recorder for the purpose of copying my
vinyl and I've just started to do so but unfortunately I can't work out how
to get the tracks placed automatically, I was successful in doing so only
by listening and place tracks manually.
I am mainly recording full operas which require much time.
Do you know whether I might be doing something wrong when I record and that
is why I don't get the tracks placed automatically?
Can you please give me some advice?

I also have an HD1300.

My experience with classical music is that there is really no
alternative to going through the recording manually, adjusting the
track boundaries as necessary. This is, as you say, time consuming.
(My DAT recorders were just the same in this respect - just rather
slower.)

One thing that makes life easier is to use the video output from the
HD1300. You can see much more on a television screen then on the
unit's display. Unfortunately, the video output appears to be a last
minute addition and could be vastly improved.

Yamaha have also missed out a number of very useful enhancements that
would have made the HD1300 much better - level normalisation over a
track, disc or album and a graphical editing display being the most
obvious. One lives in hope of a firmware upgrade.


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Chris Isbell
Southampton, UK