In article ,
Andy Evans wrote:
Excercise: Here are some of the most recent posts on Audio Asylum, tubes:

snip

Andy, why do you feel the need to convert everyone here to your beliefs?
You appear to have found a newsgroup where your views go unchallenged,
which is what you appear to want, so why get so upset when many here won't
let you do the same?

--
*Filthy stinking rich -- well, two out of three ain't bad

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Keith G wrote:
UKRAV is such a group where vinyl enthusiasts can 'wax' lyrical about
its 'advantages'. But even those who set it up - for the self same
reasons as you seem to want - ignore it and post here. Draw your own
conclusions.

A group, I might add, that was formed with the intention of removing
acrimony and contention from this group and rendered immediately
pointless and futile by the inrush of the few 'antivinyl bigots' here
too stupid to realise: a) that it was in their best interests* and b)
they had won a form of victory and removed an unwanted topic from this
group.

Strange. I remember those from here who decided to read it extremely
helpful with advice on how to get the best out of vinyl. Once you remove
the 'versus' argument, why not? Of course I'm sure you hated the fact that
those same people had the knowledge to offer such practical advice.

The well-being of *this group* was a damn sight more prominent in our
(the vinyl group's proponents) vision than it ever was theirs (the
aforesaid 'antivinyl bigots'), but there's no legislating for arrant
stupidty in this life, is there.....???

The 'well being' in your opinion being to own it?

--
*How many roads must a man travel down before he admits he is lost? *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Andy Evans" wrote in message
...
Andy, by far the rudest poster on this group is probably its most
vociferous vinylphile. I'm willing to bet that you haven't killfiled him,
though, because he appears to sit on your side of the fence.
Would I be right?

Don, I think you should consider the fact that he has never ever been rude
to
me. What reason would I - personally - have (not talking about others
here) to
killfile somebody who has always treated me with courtesy and good humour?


:-)

Ooh, does he mean meee, I wonder...??? :-)

If yer mate Donald McRonald thinks I'm the rudest poster here it just goes
to show how blinkered and selective these ole boys can be. (Like weak
parents, they rush in a punish the one who's finally got fed up and given
the other irritating little **** a whack who, of course, is squealing like a
stuck pig - which goes with the 'personality type', of course....)

I've said it before - I pay people in the same coin they pay me, although
I'm a bit mystified by DoP's (as you call him) attitude as I don't recall
ever having treated him more harshly than 'agreeing to disagree' on a couple
of occasions....??? Perhaps my calling 'one here' a *bull****ter* is viewed
as being worse than being continually called a *liar* by that same
person...???

(Who knows? Who cares? - Wouldn't happen more than once, face to face,
believe you me!!)

"Andy Evans" wrote in message
...
refusers-to-seek-truth brigade, DoP

So the sectarian split is between the "refusers-to-seek-truth brigade" and
the
policemen of the truth. Does this remind you of the Spanish Inquisition?


No - George Orwell's '1984'....

;-)

"Andy Evans" wrote in message
...
..he appears to sit on your side of the fence.Oops! Didn't mean
vinylphile, I
meant valve-phile. DoP

I couldn't care what he or anyone else is into - that's their business. As
a
matter of fact, where is this so-called 'fence' you talk about? Who made
it?
Who maintains it? When can we pull it down? I care about what we all care
about, which is to say who is and who isn't personally rude to us. This
sectarian - 'vinyl/valveophile' stuff doesn't come from me.


Nice sentiments, but I think you'll find that a lot of the crap in this
group (itself a 'sine qua non', I suspect) stems from a few fractious types
here who feel their *beliefs* have been threatened and are too upset by it
to face facts....

LOL!

:-)

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...

Iain, unfortunately - or should I say fortunately - this is not a
moderated group, so there is no way to keep anybody out.

No one has suggested that it shojuld be or that we should try to:-)



And even more
unfortunately some of the most prolific posters are either peddlers of
myths or downright pig-rude (both in some cases). But hey - that makes
the group fun;

Surely whether it is fun or not depends from which end of the gun barrel
you are looking:-)

I was thinking of a case in point just a day or two ago, when a newbee
posted a schematic of his new amp for comments. (Surely you remember
the one, that had the heater centre-tap left unconnected!)

Our lads certainly gave him a peppering with buckshot.
He he won't be back for a while!
What a great feeling!


:-(((((

Surulista!

Iain

I wouldn't want it to be some stuffy repose of academe.

There is litle fear of that:-)

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 18:43:05 +0200, "Iain M Churches"
wrote:

And even more
unfortunately some of the most prolific posters are either peddlers of
myths or downright pig-rude (both in some cases). But hey - that makes
the group fun;

Surely whether it is fun or not depends from which end of the gun barrel
you are looking:-)

I was thinking of a case in point just a day or two ago, when a newbee
posted a schematic of his new amp for comments. (Surely you remember
the one, that had the heater centre-tap left unconnected!)

Our lads certainly gave him a peppering with buckshot.
He he won't be back for a while!
What a great feeling!

Iain, your memory fails you. It was me that pointed out the error on
the diagram - and I did it quite nicely, with a joke. It was then me
that got "peppered with buckshot" for having the effrontery to point
out an error on a circuit that had been submitted for exactly that
purpose - peer review. I had failed to appreciate that where valves
are concerned, criticism is not an option - lavish praise is all that
is allowed.

OK, I got irritated by the flak, and went on to describe how the
circuit was going to work in practice (very poorly in this case). But
there - you go. I have had circuits peer reviewed on the past, and
pulled to pieces. That is why you do it.

d

Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Keith G wrote:
UKRAV is such a group where vinyl enthusiasts can 'wax' lyrical about
its 'advantages'. But even those who set it up - for the self same
reasons as you seem to want - ignore it and post here. Draw your own
conclusions.

A group, I might add, that was formed with the intention of removing
acrimony and contention from this group and rendered immediately
pointless and futile by the inrush of the few 'antivinyl bigots' here
too stupid to realise: a) that it was in their best interests* and b)
they had won a form of victory and removed an unwanted topic from this
group.

Strange. I remember those from here who decided to read it extremely
helpful with advice on how to get the best out of vinyl. Once you remove
the 'versus' argument, why not?


Don't worry, the 'Brownie Point Stacking' exercise was noted from Day 1 by
more than just me - but the mystery was, why on earth should people who, by
many previous admissions, follow a special interest into its own group to do
there (claimed) what they felt they couldn't do in here?


Of course I'm sure you hated the fact that
those same people had the knowledge to offer such practical advice.


You would, of course, think that and, no doubt, gain a few crumbs of comfort
from so doing.....



The well-being of *this group* was a damn sight more prominent in our
(the vinyl group's proponents) vision than it ever was theirs (the
aforesaid 'antivinyl bigots'), but there's no legislating for arrant
stupidty in this life, is there.....???

The 'well being' in your opinion being to own it?


Me *own* this group? (What strange thinking!) How is that possible? - I'm
not on 'The Panel' and I never use the plural form to voice my *personal*
opinions....

'We valvies'....?? :-)

'We vinylphiles'....?? :-)

Nah, that dog don't hunt.........!!!

Now, tell me summat Plowie - if I'm the only one 'out of the thousands you
read'** in your ****ter (as you intimated a day or two ago, apparently), how
come you are replying to my posts?? (Or, as 'one here' likes to say rather a
lot - are you *lying* again...??? ;-)

:-)

** Really? Thousands....?????

Mind....

Boggle....

Boggled mind....

"Andy Evans" wrote in message


Andy, by far the rudest poster on this group is probably its most
vociferous vinylphile. I'm willing to bet that you haven't killfiled
him, though, because he appears to sit on your side of the fence.
Would I be right?

Don, I think you should consider the fact that he has never ever been
rude to me.

I think this comment pretty much shows the futility of Church's post.

The subtext is that cries for more moderate posting should only apply to
people who disagree with one Andy Evans.

And given Church's audio politics, we now have the probable reason the OP
started the thread.

In your typical vinylphile/valvophile's mind it isn't how polite one is that
matters, its who is impolite to them that matters.

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...

Iain, your memory fails you. It was me that pointed out the error on
the diagram - and I did it quite nicely, with a joke. It was then me
that got "peppered with buckshot" for having the effrontery to point
out an error on a circuit that had been submitted for exactly that
purpose - peer review. (snip and paste)

OK, I got irritated by the flak, and went on to describe how the
circuit was going to work in practice (very poorly in this case). But
there - you go. I have had circuits peer reviewed on the past, and
pulled to pieces. That is why you do it.

d

Hello Don,

It may well me that my news server did not download all the messages to
that particular thread, because I saw no evaluation of the circuit, or
suggestions
of improvements (with reasons why they would be improvements)

I had failed to appreciate that where valves
are concerned, criticism is not an option - lavish praise is all that
is allowed.

:-) That's not really fair Don. I am sure there is no-one amongst us who
does not appreciate help, I know I certainly do, and I have been building
amps for a very long time. To build a valve amp is a pretty simple task.
To build a good valve amp is quite a serious undertaking.

Cordially,

Iain



Cordially,

Iain





Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com