"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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I think this comment pretty much shows the futility of Church's post.

Hi Arny,

You may not agree with my opinions, but please do me the courtesy
of spelling my name correctly, after all, your writing will go down to
posterity:-)

Last time you mis-spelt my first name, now you singularise
my surname, which is Churches, in the plural. The genetive
case is Churches' not Church's as you wrote it.

Having said that:


The subtext is that cries for more moderate posting should only apply to
people who disagree with one Andy Evans.

This has nothing whatsoever to do with Andy Evans,
or any other individual, and even less to do with the SS/valve(tube)
or CD/vinyl debate but was a statement regarding the lack of civility we
seem to show each other on this group. As metioned before, if
we were all sat round the table in your office or in mine, we would have a
lively
and stimulating discussion, with the normal courtesey that people show to
one
another. So why should we behave differently here?

It just strikes me that an awful lot of bandwidth is taken up with
expletives
when it could be used for sound reasoning and solid discussion. Surely that
is the object of this NG?

And given Church's audio politics, we now have the probable reason the OP
started the thread.

I have no politics in audio. I have been a professional recording engineer,
for more than 30 years. I am as happy with to work in digital as I am in
analogue.
(though I always prefer to edit in the digital domain)


In your typical vinylphile/valvophile's mind it isn't how polite one is
that matters, its who is impolite to them that matters.

At home I listen to a lot of analogue material, 38 cms quarter inch tape
Dolby SR, and happen to use valve amplifiers because they please me
and seem to me to reproduce the music I listen to - much of which I have
recorded myself, in the way I like to hear it. (Perhaps, I should add that
I am a born tinkerer, and both analogue tape machines and valve
amps lend themselves to tinkering. CD players, DAT machines
and SS amps for that matter are already so perfect that there is
nothing left to tweak:-)

I think I have mentioned before that I have a huge number of CD's (I get
sent review copies almost daily) and vast amount of vinyl, and an excellent
collection of 78 rpm records. I listen to, and enjoy them all. So please
don't
try to classify me as a vinylphile (whatever that might mean) or any other
kind of Phile for that matter. I hope that makes my poisiton and my point
clear.

Oh and Arny, a Swedish friend of mine asked me a question the other day,
(in perfect English) which might, as a Christian, amuse you:

Q: How does an agnostic, dyslectic, insomniac spend his nights?
A; He lays awake, wondering "Is there a Dog?"


Cordially,

Iain

In message , Iain M Churches
writes
Oh and Arny, a Swedish friend of mine asked me a question the other day,
(in perfect English) which might, as a Christian, amuse you:

Q: How does an agnostic, dyslectic, insomniac spend his nights?
A; He lays awake, wondering "Is there a Dog?"


Cordially,

Iain







Oh dear, oh dear. That's an example of 'perfect' English is it?

2/10 for another incorrect use of the word 'lays'.
--
Chris Morriss

"Chris Morriss" wrote in message
...
In message , Iain M Churches
writes

A; He lays awake, wondering "Is there a Dog?"
Oh dear, oh dear. That's an example of 'perfect' English is it?

2/10 for another incorrect use of the word 'lays'.
--
Chris Morriss

Tough marking from you Chris:-)

My Oxford English Dictionary gives: Lay. alt vb Lie, so
maybe this is not incorrect after all. But in any case,
let's not blame the Swede. Let's say it was my typo:-)
I have lived in Scandinavia for 25 years, so English
is not my first language any more
either. Also, I am sure Arny won't mind:-)

But let's not get too superior. I see from an
article in The European that there are more than
7 million young people and adults in the UK
whose literary skills in the English language
are at or below primary school level,
and an additional 3 million need assistance in
completing a form or questionnaire.

In contrast, most Scandinavians are fluent in two
languages, with English as a strong third.

How many of us, I wonder,
could tell the same joke in Swedish?

Cordially,
Iain

Iain M Churches wrote:

"Chris Morriss" wrote in message

2/10 for another incorrect use of the word 'lays'.

Tough marking from you Chris:-)

Spelling is not normally mentioned unless a mistake is amusing.
In this case many of us were amused to see you make the same error
as the stupid trucker did recently. He still thinks that he is right.

How many of us, I wonder,
could tell the same joke in Swedish?

Not many.
Not many Swedes could either, unless hund is an anagram of gud.

--
Eiron.

In article ,
Keith G wrote:
A group, I might add, that was formed with the intention of removing
acrimony and contention from this group and rendered immediately
pointless and futile by the inrush of the few 'antivinyl bigots' here
too stupid to realise: a) that it was in their best interests* and b)
they had won a form of victory and removed an unwanted topic from this
group.

Strange. I remember those from here who decided to read it extremely
helpful with advice on how to get the best out of vinyl. Once you
remove the 'versus' argument, why not?


Don't worry, the 'Brownie Point Stacking' exercise was noted from Day 1
by more than just me - but the mystery was, why on earth should people
who, by many previous admissions, follow a special interest into its
own group to do there (claimed) what they felt they couldn't do in here?

Now that's a change of tack. First you're complaining of 'the inrush of a
few anti vinyl bigots, and now you're tacitly admitting they 'behaved'
themselves.
But as usual, you've missed the point. It's one thing to appreciate
obsolete technology, and to enjoy playing with it. It's another matter to
state in an open forum just how superior it is to current technology. When
by any measure - other than your 'ears' it plainly isn't, nor can it be
shown to be by any accepted comparisons.


Of course I'm sure you hated the fact that those same people had the
knowledge to offer such practical advice.


You would, of course, think that and, no doubt, gain a few crumbs of
comfort from so doing.....

Have you actually made the Pinky MC pre-amp? I have. If you haven't, I'd
suggest you do. It out performs any valve MC pickup in every possible
parameter. If you are serious about wanting the best performance from
vinyl.



The well-being of *this group* was a damn sight more prominent in our
(the vinyl group's proponents) vision than it ever was theirs (the
aforesaid 'antivinyl bigots'), but there's no legislating for arrant
stupidty in this life, is there.....???

The 'well being' in your opinion being to own it?


Me *own* this group? (What strange thinking!) How is that possible? -
I'm not on 'The Panel' and I never use the plural form to voice my
*personal* opinions....

It's not possible. But I'd say you would if you could...
And what you forget is that many of those you hate have been around here a
lot longer than you. But don't want to censor anyone's views - just debate
them. Dunno how you find that so hard to stomach.

'We valvies'....?? :-)

'We vinylphiles'....?? :-)

Nah, that dog don't hunt.........!!!

Now, tell me summat Plowie - if I'm the only one 'out of the thousands
you read'** in your ****ter (as you intimated a day or two ago,
apparently), how come you are replying to my posts?? (Or, as 'one here'
likes to say rather a lot - are you *lying* again...??? ;-)

As I said it was only set for a given time. I like to see if anything has
changed. At least you haven't thrown one of your (sober) drunken wobblies
recently. Toys being thrown out of prams have no attraction to me -
although of course you have to accept it with some kids.

:-)

** Really? Thousands....?????

Mind....

Boggle....

Boggled mind....

Looking at the numbers of individual authors in my newsreader at the
moment - and it is set to expire posts after 14 days - gives 876. So
thousands over a period of time is a reasonable estimate.

--
*Hard work pays off in the future. Laziness pays off now *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Iain M Churches wrote:

My point is Don, that *we* the members of this group are keeping
people out by our churlish behaviour, and the influx of new blood (or
old blood for that matter:-) would add a new dimension.

No, the people that are being 'kept out', to use use your loaded
terminology, are those who can't deal with the fact that this is usenet - an
unmoderated, uncensored, opiniated bastion of freedom of both speech and
posting style. You seem to imply that there is a 'group' in the sense that
there is a voluntary coming together for a greater common good. This notion
is entirely specious - ukra is a collection of individuals who post here for
their own reasons. Nobody is obliged to help anyone else.

You're like a typical newbie who finds some forum or other and thinks it
should be changed to comply with how he thinks it should be. It isn't up to
you. It isn't up to anyone. I speak for myself, but I'm sure I'm not the
only one here who will *never* change what they say, or how they say it,
just to accommodate some bleeding heart who finds the kitchen a tad hot.

Frankly, dude, and with the greatest of respect and the best of intentions,
if you don't like it in here, then go somewhere else. Just to be clear:
nobody's asking you to be anything other than yourself, so don't have the
self-righteous arrogance to expect others to change to suit you.

To put it simply, stop whining, grow a thicker skin, and post something
on-topic.


--
Wally
www.artbywally.com
www.wally.myby.co.uk

"Eiron" wrote in message
...
Iain M Churches wrote:

How many of us, I wonder,
could tell the same joke in Swedish?

Not many.
Not many Swedes could either, unless hund is an anagram of gud.

--
Eiron.



:-)))
Rolig

Telling a joke, or translating a lyric, needs much more than
word for word "conversion" from one language to another.


Iain

On 10 Dec 2004 14:01:18 GMT, ohawker (Andy
Evans) wrote:

Quite telling that you knew exactly who I was talking about without my
having to name him, though ; DoP

I am a psychologist........

And yet you steadfastly refuse to ackowledge expectation bias as the
likely source of your audio opinions. Fascinating.....................

Would you buy a used brain from this man? :-)
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:04:24 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:

Perhaps my calling 'one here' a *bull****ter* is viewed
as being worse than being continually called a *liar* by that same
person...???

(Who knows? Who cares? - Wouldn't happen more than once, face to face,
believe you me!!)

True enough, but perhaps not in the way you meant.... :-)
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 13:49:06 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Iain M Churches wrote:
My point is Don, that *we* the members of this group are keeping people
out by our churlish behaviour, and the influx of new blood (or old blood
for that matter:-) would add a new dimension.

I doubt it. Those who are 'put off' by the 'churlish behaviour' are likely
to be those who don't want their views challenged.

If you wish such a group - where say valvies can discuss their hobby and
make the most outrageous claims with impunity - then you need to set up a
group where that is in the charter.

Audio Asylum. Any discussion involving DBT, i.e. actually *proving*
the truth behind your opinions, is banned by the censors.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering