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Old February 5th 05, 06:21 PM posted to alt.radio.digital,uk.rec.audio
Giovanni Landman
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On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 16:32:02 GMT, Richard L wrote:

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"DAB sounds worse than FM" wrote:

Bear in mind this is for the kitchen. It's intended to replace a DAB
portable radio,


I suppose this is consistent with your previous habit of
recommending people to buy mp3 players in place of DAB radios.
But they don't do the same job. How can you listen to the six
o'clock news on an mp3 player?


My mp3 player (Philips HDD070) has an FM radio on board.

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Old February 5th 05, 10:11 PM posted to alt.radio.digital,uk.rec.audio
Tim S Kemp
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Giovanni Landman wrote:
On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 16:32:02 GMT, Richard L wrote:

In message
"DAB sounds worse than FM" wrote:

Bear in mind this is for the kitchen. It's intended to replace a DAB
portable radio,


I suppose this is consistent with your previous habit of
recommending people to buy mp3 players in place of DAB radios.
But they don't do the same job. How can you listen to the six
o'clock news on an mp3 player?


My mp3 player (Philips HDD070) has an FM radio on board.


Does it sound better than.... (thud)
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Old February 6th 05, 10:00 AM posted to alt.radio.digital,uk.rec.audio
Giovanni Landman
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On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 23:11:23 -0000, Tim S Kemp wrote:

Giovanni Landman wrote:
On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 16:32:02 GMT, Richard L wrote:

In message
"DAB sounds worse than FM" wrote:

Bear in mind this is for the kitchen. It's intended to replace a DAB
portable radio,

I suppose this is consistent with your previous habit of
recommending people to buy mp3 players in place of DAB radios.
But they don't do the same job. How can you listen to the six
o'clock news on an mp3 player?


My mp3 player (Philips HDD070) has an FM radio on board.


Does it sound better than.... (thud)


LOL

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mvg,
Giovanni.
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Old February 6th 05, 03:57 PM posted to alt.radio.digital,uk.rec.audio
DAB sounds worse than FM
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Giovanni Landman wrote:
On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 16:32:02 GMT, Richard L wrote:

In message
"DAB sounds worse than FM" wrote:

Bear in mind this is for the kitchen. It's intended to replace a DAB
portable radio,


I suppose this is consistent with your previous habit of
recommending people to buy mp3 players in place of DAB radios.
But they don't do the same job. How can you listen to the six
o'clock news on an mp3 player?


My mp3 player (Philips HDD070) has an FM radio on board.



Does the HDD070 sound any good? I'm considering one of these:

http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Product...07&GroupID=847



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Find the cheapest Freeview, DAB & MP3 Player Prices:
http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/fr..._receivers.htm
http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/da...tal_radios.htm
http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/mp...rs_1GB-5GB.htm
http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/mp...e_capacity.htm


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Old February 6th 05, 06:51 PM posted to alt.radio.digital,uk.rec.audio
Giovanni Landman
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On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 16:57:23 GMT, DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:

Giovanni Landman wrote:
On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 16:32:02 GMT, Richard L wrote:

In message
"DAB sounds worse than FM" wrote:

Bear in mind this is for the kitchen. It's intended to replace a DAB
portable radio,

I suppose this is consistent with your previous habit of
recommending people to buy mp3 players in place of DAB radios.
But they don't do the same job. How can you listen to the six
o'clock news on an mp3 player?


My mp3 player (Philips HDD070) has an FM radio on board.



Does the HDD070 sound any good?


Well, apart from the quality of current generation of in-ear headphones
(back my treble demand!), and some volume limitation (if you really like
volume level 10 you're probably out of luck) it does sound very good.

It's FM radio reception is not that perfect. That shouldn't come as a
surprise, as that's the case with nearly any portable which uses the
headphone lead as the antenna. It's an extra drawback in my case (Tx of
my favourite radio stations at least 30 miles away). Luckily, it's got a
sort of auto-fallback to mono, which reduces the FM noise considerably,
even to virtually zero, after half a minute or so.

Some further features I really like:
- the sleep timer: 15, 30 or 60 mins (my killer app!);
- configurable backlight and repeat/shuffle modes;
- configurable shortcut key "": equalizer, bass boost or shuffle/repeat
mode select
- mp3 and wma playback "only", I don't really need AAC or WAV
- 10 h playtime max (my practice: 9 h with 5 sec. backlight setting)

.... just to say: I use it every day, I really like it. I bought it in
the beginning of December, and I didn't regret it for a single moment.
It's a good player, it's got an FM radio, it's considerably cheaper than
"the real IPod", it's capacity is just good enough, not too little (1 GB
or less), not too large (4 GB or more).

(No, I don't have a job at Philips, below are some drawbacks ;-)

Some remarks about the software that comes with it:
- the musicmatch Jukebox software looks nice, but the
database/transfer/storage driver is very slow, even with USB2.0 you can
only get a few 100s KB/s;
- the Philips DMM software looks as it's originated from the Stone Age,
needs JRE, and therefore is a slow starter. However, it provides better
data transfer rates: it fully fills my USB1.1 only bus at some 900 KB/s
(with the imperfect [cough] win98 USB mass storage driver on a PII/350).
Luckily, the player *can* transfer files at USB2.0 only speeds.

Furthermore, this player uses some basis principle you may not like: it
has some sort of database to store the ID3 tag information. The player
gets all the song identification information from that, it doesn't use
the filenames. So you can't just drop 'n drag your files to your
portable player drive letter, you have to use the software for that.
So you'd better have at least 90% of your files tagged, or otherwise you
get crazy from all "untitled"s.


I'm considering one of these:

http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Product...07&GroupID=847


The HDD060? At that price? Don't do that! That one hasn't got an FM
radio either. Really can't get it any cheaper? My 2GB & FM radio HDD070
was some £140 (¤ 200) 2 months ago.

Finally, further specs can be found at philips.com - portable
entertainment.

Good luck!


--

mvg,
Giovanni.
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Old February 9th 05, 12:47 PM posted to alt.radio.digital,uk.rec.audio
DAB sounds worse than FM
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Giovanni Landman wrote:
On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 16:57:23 GMT, DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:


My mp3 player (Philips HDD070) has an FM radio on board.



Does the HDD070 sound any good?


Well, apart from the quality of current generation of in-ear
headphones (back my treble demand!),



These are supposed to be good:

http://ws4.richersounds.com/showprod...pid=SENN-PX100


and some volume limitation (if
you really like volume level 10 you're probably out of luck)



That's annoying actually, because I do like it pretty loud.


it does
sound very good.

It's FM radio reception is not that perfect. That shouldn't come as a
surprise, as that's the case with nearly any portable which uses the
headphone lead as the antenna. It's an extra drawback in my case (Tx
of my favourite radio stations at least 30 miles away). Luckily, it's
got a sort of auto-fallback to mono, which reduces the FM noise
considerably, even to virtually zero, after half a minute or so.



It's alright, cos I want a player almost exclusively for MP3 playback
only.


Some further features I really like:
- the sleep timer: 15, 30 or 60 mins (my killer app!);



Seriously?


- configurable backlight and repeat/shuffle modes;
- configurable shortcut key "": equalizer, bass boost or
shuffle/repeat mode select
- mp3 and wma playback "only", I don't really need AAC or WAV



I wouldn't mind AAC, but with my finances being the way they are then
I'd have to go for an iPod Shuffle, but I couldn't think of anything
worse than not being able to choose the tracks I want to play in the
order I want to play them in...


- 10 h playtime max (my practice: 9 h with 5 sec. backlight setting)

... just to say: I use it every day, I really like it. I bought it in
the beginning of December, and I didn't regret it for a single moment.
It's a good player, it's got an FM radio, it's considerably cheaper
than "the real IPod", it's capacity is just good enough, not too
little (1 GB or less), not too large (4 GB or more).



The main drawback that you've listed above is its limited volume, but
the HDD060 is such good value for money that I might get it anyway.


(No, I don't have a job at Philips, below are some drawbacks ;-)

Some remarks about the software that comes with it:
- the musicmatch Jukebox software looks nice, but the
database/transfer/storage driver is very slow, even with USB2.0 you
can only get a few 100s KB/s;
- the Philips DMM software looks as it's originated from the Stone
Age, needs JRE, and therefore is a slow starter. However, it provides
better data transfer rates: it fully fills my USB1.1 only bus at some
900 KB/s (with the imperfect [cough] win98 USB mass storage driver on
a PII/350). Luckily, the player *can* transfer files at USB2.0 only
speeds.



Right.


Furthermore, this player uses some basis principle you may not like:
it has some sort of database to store the ID3 tag information. The
player gets all the song identification information from that, it
doesn't use the filenames. So you can't just drop 'n drag your files
to your portable player drive letter, you have to use the software
for that.
So you'd better have at least 90% of your files tagged, or otherwise
you get crazy from all "untitled"s.



All my FLAC files are tagged using the mass-tagger in foobar2000, so I
presume they'll be okay, but recordings off the radio are just
filenames.


I'm considering one of these:

http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Product...07&GroupID=847


The HDD060? At that price? Don't do that!



That's a good price, IMO.


That one hasn't got an FM
radio either. Really can't get it any cheaper? My 2GB & FM radio
HDD070 was some £140 (¤ 200) 2 months ago.



The HDD060 is only £73 and it's got a 1.5GB hard drive.


Finally, further specs can be found at philips.com - portable
entertainment.

Good luck!



Cheers.


--
Steve - www.digitalradiotech.co.uk - Digital Radio News & Info

Find the cheapest Freeview, DAB & MP3 Player Prices:
http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/fr..._receivers.htm
http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/da...tal_radios.htm
http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/mp...rs_1GB-5GB.htm
http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/mp...e_capacity.htm


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Old February 9th 05, 05:40 PM posted to alt.radio.digital,uk.rec.audio
Giovanni Landman
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On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 13:47:13 GMT, DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:

Giovanni Landman wrote:
On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 16:57:23 GMT, DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:


My mp3 player (Philips HDD070) has an FM radio on board.


Does the HDD070 sound any good?


Well, apart from the quality of current generation of in-ear
headphones (back my treble demand!),



These are supposed to be good:

http://ws4.richersounds.com/showprod...pid=SENN-PX100


Sennheiser ... but actually, I like in-ear phones more.


and some volume limitation (if
you really like volume level 10 you're probably out of luck)



That's annoying actually, because I do like it pretty loud.


Surprise me ;-)


[snip]


Some further features I really like:
- the sleep timer: 15, 30 or 60 mins (my killer app!);



Seriously?


Really, it's the next best object to fall asleep with...



- configurable backlight and repeat/shuffle modes;
- configurable shortcut key "": equalizer, bass boost or
shuffle/repeat mode select
- mp3 and wma playback "only", I don't really need AAC or WAV



I wouldn't mind AAC, but with my finances being the way they are then
I'd have to go for an iPod Shuffle, but I couldn't think of anything
worse than not being able to choose the tracks I want to play in the
order I want to play them in...


I couldn't agree more.

Kind of surprising the iPod S can't do that, innit? Surely you checked
it at apple.com/ipod? To me, it seems like a checkbox feature you can
turn off, see: http://www.apple.com/ipodshuffle/shuffle.html .

Anyway, with the Philips HDD, you do that by organizing your files from
your "media folders" in playlists, just the way you want. Then you
transfer them, and you can leave the shuffle mode at err.... no shuffle
;-)

[snip]

All my FLAC files are tagged using the mass-tagger in foobar2000, so I
presume they'll be okay, but recordings off the radio are just
filenames.


Well, in that case, an ID3v1 tag is quickly written.


[about the price of the hdd060]

That one hasn't got an FM
radio either. Really can't get it any cheaper? My 2GB & FM radio
HDD070 was some £140 (¤ 200) 2 months ago.



The HDD060 is only £73 and it's got a 1.5GB hard drive.


*wipeing my eyes*

Err ... you're right.
3 dB (UKP) difference is an awful lot of difference in this case.
That said, them b*sterds over here do sell 'em at at much higher prices.

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Giovanni.
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Old February 9th 05, 08:50 PM posted to alt.radio.digital,uk.rec.audio
Tim S Kemp
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Giovanni Landman wrote:
http://ws4.richersounds.com/showprod...pid=SENN-PX100


Sennheiser ... but actually, I like in-ear phones more.


I have PX200s lying around - mainly used with the computer - if they fit
they're better than the PX100. I like sennheiser though, I use HD25s for
live monitoring, and some HD210 (I think) for everyday home use. Portable
though I like in ear as well, mainly so I can listen at lower volume and
have some isolation.

http://www.etymotic.com/ephp/er6.asp

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