On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:18:26 -0800, fiultra wrote:

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It appears that on UKRA they do care enough to make an issue of what
happens on RAT. Try this letter from one Keith G, a typical UKRA
pudding pull:

*******
A little birdie tells me....

Keith G
Dec 7 2004, 3:31 pm

....that Pinky has legged it over to RAT and is waving Sand Amps in
their
faces!!

I suppose you've got to give the **** kudos for 'taking the fight to
the
enemy'...!!!

(I bet that's got all the scrotum-rubbers in a tiz!! :-)
**********


Sorry Andre? Does that look like Pinky was *sent* or that he *went*?
We all know Pinky's arguments for sand-amps. Generally, I think, we tend
to either ignore them or just gently tease him along to keep him going! I
don't think anyone actually *sent* him to RAT (or even could), but he may
have become bored here and decided to go over there of his own accord.

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I'm not dragging Pinkerton's viciousness across th enewsgroups. The
crusade against RAT originated right here on UKRA, proof in Keith's
letter published above. I'm just bringing the bacon home where it
belongs.


Sorry, but that "proof in Keith's letter published above" reads more like
a report of what is(was) happening than a "crusade against RAT". Perhaps
you are getting a little jumpy.... ;-)

It is always worth the effort of clipping the enemies of fidelity in
the ear.


lol!

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Relax, Mick. Catch a giggle.


If I relax much more, I'll float out of the door....!
Cheers, Andre!

--
Mick
(no M$ software on here... :-) )
Web: http://www.nascom.info
Web: http://projectedsound.tk

"mick" wrote


Mr Fruit Loop's crap snipped again


Sorry Andre? Does that look like Pinky was *sent* or that he *went*?
We all know Pinky's arguments for sand-amps. Generally, I think, we tend
to either ignore them or just gently tease him along to keep him going!


Sssh!! :-)

(Actually it's not as effective as telling him CDs bleach all the soul out
of the music! ;-)


Sorry, but that "proof in Keith's letter published above" reads more like
a report of what is(was) happening than a "crusade against RAT". Perhaps
you are getting a little jumpy.... ;-)


'Senile' is more like the word I have in mind....

On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 00:08:03 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:

"mick" wrote

Mr Fruit Loop's crap snipped again

Sorry Andre? Does that look like Pinky was *sent* or that he *went*?
We all know Pinky's arguments for sand-amps. Generally, I think, we tend
to either ignore them or just gently tease him along to keep him going!

Sssh!! :-)

(Actually it's not as effective as telling him CDs bleach all the soul out
of the music! ;-)

That's fightin' talk, dude! :-)

I do find vinyl both useful and decorative, however. Stick it in the
oven for a bit, fold it up just right round a bean tin, and it makes a
very pretty and appropriate music room flowerpot!

Sorry, but that "proof in Keith's letter published above" reads more like
a report of what is(was) happening than a "crusade against RAT". Perhaps
you are getting a little jumpy.... ;-)

'Senile' is more like the word I have in mind....

Also paranoid, mendacious, self-aggrandising, and possessor of Eire's
finest collection of sycophantic sockpuppets - presumably created
because he can't find any admirers in the *real* world.....

Comes of good Voortrekker stock though, directly descended from Baron
Munchausen.......................
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

mick wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:18:26 -0800, fiultra wrote:

snip

It appears that on UKRA they do care enough to make an issue of
what
happens on RAT. Try this letter from one Keith G, a typical UKRA
pudding pull:

*******
A little birdie tells me....

Keith G
Dec 7 2004, 3:31 pm

....that Pinky has legged it over to RAT and is waving Sand Amps in
their
faces!!

I suppose you've got to give the **** kudos for 'taking the fight
to
the
enemy'...!!!

(I bet that's got all the scrotum-rubbers in a tiz!! :-)
**********


Sorry Andre? Does that look like Pinky was *sent* or that he *went*?
We all know Pinky's arguments for sand-amps. Generally, I think, we
tend
to either ignore them or just gently tease him along to keep him
going! I
don't think anyone actually *sent* him to RAT (or even could), but he
may
have become bored here and decided to go over there of his own
accord.

There's the rub, Mick. If people just read Keith's letter, they may
say, Well, Keith didn't send Pinko to RAT, Keith just loudly approved
of Pinko "taking the fight to the enemy" of the "scrotum-rubbers" on
RAT. That is of course already a very hostile attitude and act of
inciting the excitable Pinko Presumptuous. You can see how morally
reprehensible both Keith and Pinkerton are if you substitute for
another group of black kids. If Keith encouraged Pinko's natural racist
tendency in the manner above, he would be jailed for racial incitement.
It is thus easy to see Keith committed an incitement to a flame war.
Now the little slimeball is trying to sneer away his culpability.

Next, we have to ask: Did anyone on UKRA disassociate themselves from
Pinko's mission?

The answer is no. No-one had the decency to say, Why are we attacking
without any provocation a tube conference who did us no harm. Quite the
contrary, there was a sickening show of support and approval for
Keith's vicious incitement and Pinko's equally vicious mission. The
evidence of the leading men of UKRA being members of the hooded gang
urging Pinko to commit a crime, which I suggest you read, is he

MORE ON UKRA's GUILT, FROM ITS OWN MOUTH AT:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/... 8d762a34479b

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I'm not dragging Pinkerton's viciousness across th enewsgroups. The
crusade against RAT originated right here on UKRA, proof in Keith's
letter published above. I'm just bringing the bacon home where it
belongs.


Sorry, but that "proof in Keith's letter published above" reads more
like
a report of what is(was) happening than a "crusade against RAT".
Perhaps
you are getting a little jumpy.... ;-)

I have made the case for incitement more fully above. I don't
understand why you think I should be jumpy. I'm just swimming in the
tide of exaggerated presumption that Pinko and his fellow slimeballs on
UKRA are washing over us like sewerage. You can look up equivalent
earlier threads on the same theme of forcibly converting RAT.

It is always worth the effort of clipping the enemies of fidelity
in
the ear.

lol!

One wonders how many of these grimly humourless transistor slime will
get the pun.

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Relax, Mick. Catch a giggle.

If I relax much more, I'll float out of the door....!
Cheers, Andre!
Mick
(no M$ software on here... :-) )
Web: http://www.nascom.info
Web: http://projectedsound.tk

HoverMick!

Andre Jute

Oh dear, it's 10.20. Need to go to the bank. Glad I put the washing in
the machine. Anyway, had a good night last night and slept well. Maybe
some tennis at 3 o'clock? surprising that Britain's favourite food is
still fish and chips. It was blue skies this morning but turning a bit
cloudy I fear. Oh dear - where are my socks, ah yes... should be time
to catch the bus now. Have to leave the post office until Tuesday. Are
the clocks going forward or back? Yes, definitely turning cloudy....

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There's the rub, Mick. If people just read Keith's letter, they may
say, Well, Keith didn't send Pinko to RAT, Keith just loudly approved
of Pinko "taking the fight to the enemy" of the "scrotum-rubbers" on
RAT.

Actually, Keith had already left UKRA having, like many others got
tired of Stewart's tin (ear)drum.


Next, we have to ask: Did anyone on UKRA disassociate themselves from
Pinko's mission?

No. Because most of them had already moved from UKRA to RAT by the time
Stewart turned up. I, for one, am hoping that he will disappear as suddenly
as he appeared.

Iain

On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:36:54 -0800, fiultra wrote:

Gentlemen and others on UKRA:

Poor Pinko Presumptuous is being crucified on RAT. You UKRA jokers who
sent the pitiful little man to RAT to "take the fight to the enemy" (1)
had better come fetch what's left of your gladiatorial envoy before
there is nothing left except a whimpering wet spot.

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Andre has cross-posted this to RAT.
If anyone would like to keep comments local, I have set follow-ups to this
post to uk.rec.audio only.


--
Mick
(no M$ software on here... :-) )
Web: http://www.nascom.info
Web: http://projectedsound.tk

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Gentlemen and others on UKRA:

Poor Pinko Presumptuous is being crucified on RAT. You UKRA jokers who
sent the pitiful little man to RAT to "take the fight to the enemy" (1)
had better come fetch what's left of your gladiatorial envoy before
there is nothing left except a whimpering wet spot.

Pinkerton is a posturing poodlefaker who knows nothing about
electronics we don't already know and less about polemics. Below is a
dire example of Pinko running kamikazi-fashion to commit suicide.

Next time you desk soldiers of UKRA want to declare war on RAT, send
someone who at least has the wit to be entertaining while he flames us.
Since you clearly have no one with the faintest glimmer, perhaps you
should borrow Lord Valve from alt.guitar.amps or go get Arnie from
wherever. RAT is a first class newsgroup; we deserve to be flamed by a
first class flame merchant, not some faintwitted tenth carbon copy.
Pinkerton isn't just turning himself into a laughingstock, he's turning
UKRA, his boorish sponsor (2), into a laughingstock. He's giving
engineers everywhere a bad name by his eagerness to fall over his own
feet.



As I see it, Andre, the situation is not quite as described above.
There were several long standing members of UKRA who (probably
because they were tired of the monotony of Stewart's one string fiddle)
moved to RAT, which is probably a much more suitable group for
them anyway.

UKRA suddenly became very quiet indeed. It didn't take Stewart long
to find out to where his former opponents had migrated, and he
quickly followed. He had succeeded in driving out those
who did not share the opinions he held, and much worse, he had
kept away a number of interested and well informed people who
would have had something of interest to say.

As far as I know, no one on UKRA suggested that Stewart should
"take the fight to the enemy", unless of course this was done by e-mail.
So, we should not blame the majority for the actions of one or two.

Like many on RAT, I do wonder about his presence there, as he has
clearly stated he has no interest whatsoever in tube/valve audio.

Iain

On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 12:38:33 +0300, "Iain M Churches"
wrote:

As I see it, Andre, the situation is not quite as described above.
There were several long standing members of UKRA who (probably
because they were tired of the monotony of Stewart's one string fiddle)
moved to RAT, which is probably a much more suitable group for
them anyway.

UKRA suddenly became very quiet indeed. It didn't take Stewart long
to find out to where his former opponents had migrated, and he
quickly followed. He had succeeded in driving out those
who did not share the opinions he held, and much worse, he had
kept away a number of interested and well informed people who
would have had something of interest to say.

Utter rubbish, as we've come to expect from you. I went to RAT out of
a genuine interest in the KISS project. On arrival, it became
immediately obvious that Jute (whom I had not previously encountered)
was basing his design on several false premises. I pointed this out,
whereupon that rabid sociopath, rather than arguing my points
rationally, immediataly launched numerous ad hominem attack threads.
It turns out that this is his SOP.

My 'former opponents' created UKRV, but that group rapidly became
moribund, as of course no one's really interested in discussing vinyl
these days.

As far as I know, no one on UKRA suggested that Stewart should
"take the fight to the enemy", unless of course this was done by e-mail.
So, we should not blame the majority for the actions of one or two.

Nope, that was an observation made after the fact by a UKRA poster,
not any previous suggestion. It was of course not intended to be a
fight, merely a debate on the design basis underlying KISS. Jute chose
to make it something else.

Like many on RAT, I do wonder about his presence there, as he has
clearly stated he has no interest whatsoever in tube/valve audio.

No, I have stated that tube amps are less accurate, which is generally
true. That doesn't imply a lack of *interest*, particularly when some
arguably valid points were made regarding *possible* problems with
loop NFB. KISASS was an exercise which I was *invited* to undertake
along those lines, invited by *you* and others on RAT. The aggression
is coming from Jute, with some sniping from the sidelines by Turner.
This animal is dangerous - it defends itself when attacked........
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 12:38:33 +0300, "Iain M Churches"
wrote:

As I see it, Andre, the situation is not quite as described above.
There were several long standing members of UKRA who (probably
because they were tired of the monotony of Stewart's one string fiddle)
moved to RAT, which is probably a much more suitable group for
them anyway.

UKRA suddenly became very quiet indeed. It didn't take Stewart long
to find out to where his former opponents had migrated, and he
quickly followed. He had succeeded in driving out those
who did not share the opinions he held, and much worse, he had
kept away a number of interested and well informed people who
would have had something of interest to say.

Utter rubbish, as we've come to expect from you.

I have a number of e-mails from former UKRA posters who had
"given up on Pinkie" as they put it, and decided to move to RAT.
These were people who had worked hard to build up UKRA and also
had a genuine interest in valve audio. I put it to you that you hated
to be ignored, and followed these people across to RAT.

I went to RAT out of
a genuine interest in the KISS project.

You promised to amuse us. That's the funniest thing I have heard
for a long time:-)

It just so happened that your arrival on RAT corresponded with the
early posts on Andre's KISS amp. Despite requests from many to "sit
down and shut up and let the man complete his project" you totally
destroyed a very good thread. Well done!

My 'former opponents' created UKRV, but that group rapidly became
moribund, as of course no one's really interested in discussing vinyl
these days.

You may not be, but many of us are. So why not do us all a favour and
retire to an SS group where your "precision analogue engineering knowledge"
(your term) is more relevant. RAT is the only group dedicated to tube/valve
audio and since your arrival it has been dragged to a very low standard.

KISASS was an exercise which I was *invited* to undertake
along those lines, invited by *you* and others on RAT.

OK. So you have done it. It is such a good design that you, the designer,
cannot even be bothered to build an evaluation model for testing.
Now can we say goodbye to you?

The aggression
is coming from Jute, with some sniping from the sidelines by Turner.

You seem to be blind to the fact that most see your presence here as
inappropriate. Surely, surely, you would be of much more use somewehere
else?

This animal is dangerous - it defends itself when attacked........

:-)))
What are you going to do, shower Andre and Patrick with postage stamps:-)

Iain