"Keith G" wrote in message
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"Julian Fowler" wrote in message
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Perhaps it will help you understand my pov if I explain that I often find
it
hard to stop putting LPs on, no matter what the hour and that I simply
can't
be botherd to hear a CD all the way through unless I put it on and wander
off to do something else. A CDP with a remote control in *anybody's* hands
will demonstrate what I mean.

ROFLMAO!

As Keith will confirm, the deck I got off him has a remote control - nice
old one with one mother of a thick cable running from the deck to the
listening position! I did actually connect this remote control for the first
few session but I never used the bloody thing. The deck will even allow
programming individual tracks - havn't used that yet either!


Put another way - LPs last 4 mins per side, CDs last for months, in my
book - they simply do *not* hold my attention.

The difficulty is that both vinylists and digtalists both seek 'the best
possible sound' toward their different ends by vastly different means. I
can
only reiterate that vinylists (IME) seem to be better able to accept this
fact and are a lot less prone to hissy attacks and personal abuse than the
'vinylphobes' (until provoked)......

Its like the digital guys are saying, 'damm, technically CD is better so
everything DOES sound better on it'.

Can one of you 'cd only' people tell me why classic cars are so popular? Why
would somebody drive around in a car that is noisy, bumpy and less fuel
efficient? They couldn't argue that technically the modern car is 'better'
but I bet they would say things like 'classic', 'wind in the hair', 'more
soul' etc. What? Cars havn't got life or a soul surely? In fact, comparing a
modern to an old car is very similar to CD/vinyl. Modern car is quiet,
smooth and air conditioned. I could argue that an older car would give more
'ambience' to the drive without suggesting the modern car was somehow
flawed!

However, we would KNOW what they are trying to get across with those
descriptions and I guess you would not argue with them!



To me, "coloured" and "distorted" are words that summarize two of the
technical characteristics of vinyl reproduction - they don't have to
be emotive words in the way that you seem to be interpret them.
Indeed, I'd hazard a guess that the reasons for your preference for
vinyl include the very facts that vinyl reproduction *is* coloured and
distorted - except that you'd probably use words like "warm" to
describe these characteristics :-)

What is it about you digital folks? Why do you feel so strongly about
another person's expressed preference, why do you resort to your own
'pseudo-technical gibberish' to trash that expressed preference?

Huh? When have I trashed anyone's *preference* for vinyl?


You're doing it now.......


Why does it
*bother* you so much?

Preferences don't bother me at all. Maybe perpetuation of technically
invalid assertions does.

I have never suggested anything technically invalid - you take my
descriptions of the music I hear as such!

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CDs didn't get where they are today because they are 'better', they occupy
the 'lions share' of the market because lazy old Joe Public put them
there.
Within 5 years (tops) SS digital music will topple them from top slot,
wait
and see.


I can agree with that. I sat my sons (16 & 14) in front of my CD system for
a couple of hours and they had a great time. They both agreed the music was
'clear' and 'really good'.

The next night we sat in front of the deck for a couple of hours. First
thing was 'blimey dad - that bass is really deep'! They then started talking
about 'lifelike', 'live', 'like being there' - why?

They know nothing about the technicalities. Neither of them has been to a
live concert so what were they talking about with their descriptions? I
think they were talking about the ambience associated with wedding
receptions and the like. I know the sounds a pretty dire at wedding
receptions but my boys understood immediately about 'ambience' without any
prompting from me.

Of course, when I asked them when they were going to buy a deck they both
said they wouldn't buy one of those old things! Strange considering they
prefered the sound!

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Tell you what Julian, drag your CDP and a few disks round to mine and
we'll
have a 'shoot out' (or 'Circle Jerk' as it is known in some quarters) -
I'm
fully prepared to put my needle where my mouth is.


If he takes up your offer then give him some time to tune into the vinyl
sound. When I first came to your place and heard vinyl, I thought it sounded
bloody horrible LOL! Mind you, after 10 hours (bloody hell!) of listening I
had found the 'missing ingredient' I was after in my music.

Warning - my £350 'Disco Deck' and cheapo Ortofon cart held off and still
had a slight edge over the best (£3K) CDP I have ever heard, my new £1,350
RPM9/Shure V15 rig will blow your CDs into the weeds, I promise you. - You
will tell me that, however, I *never* make these claims, I leave it to the
'victims'! (Never failed yet! ;-)

Yeh, Keiths new deck certainly takes the music by the short and curlies and
tames it!


Contact me off-group and we'll do it on the sly. I never mention it here -
one of the less regular posters here popped in last week to hear the
killer
'valves & vinyl' combination. He didn't even say he liked it (already a
confirmed 'vinylist' mind) but he made it plain he would call in again
'soon' with more LPs*. (I can only assume he didn't 'hate' it too
much.....???? :-)


Blimey - the valves only go to aid the ambience of the vinyl to make it
lovely!

MrBitsy.