"Keith G" wrote


I never make claims about 'good' or 'bad' when it comes to kit - I'm no
expert and I simply can't hear the nuances, I only go by what I like or
what I don't like. For a long time now my kit (or any permutation thereof)
has been at least *OK*, thankfully....

Anyway, as I said earlier, it's not what I say that counts - tonight Shiny
Nigel will put me right in a heartbeat! :-)


Hah!

(See below....)


Let me qualify that - he flogs the stuff for a living and has had about 15
years experience of hooking stuff up (frequently in front of the customer)
and really *does* know immediately if summat's not right.


Hoo boy, did he not.....


(He does also seem to have a very good ear and he tells it like it is - if
he likes the 2A3/Buschhorn combo that'll do me! ;-)


In comes SN, he sits down, I put summat on (can't even remember what) and
straight away he says: "That speaker's buzzing!!"

....and it was!!

(Fekky Norah - I hadn't heard it up 'til then but I heard it plenty
thereafter!)

Not hearing it until it was pointed out to me was/is a bigger problem to me
than the buzz itself! (That's already on its way to sorted - I mentioned it
to Terry at Wilmslow Audio this morning and he's putting a replacement in
the post asap - no hassles, no quibbles!!)

Anyway, buzz notwithstanding, we proceeded to get into it - next up was that
there was no 'image' and what image there was, was shifted to the right. OK,
moving the speakers into the 'inside' position of the two pairs of speakers
seem to cure that *sufficiently*...(???)

During the course of the next 2/3 hours the Buschhorns went from being
placed third in a *two horse* race to where the highs were better than the
Loths (which have supertweeters...???), the bass was as good as the Loths
(moving the Buschhorns actually did tighten that up) and the clarity/detail
was even *better* than the Loths!!??

What it is, is the Buschhorns are more 'forward' than the Loths and it takes
a bit of getting used to. Once you have accomodated this it's hard to go
back - a natural process I have observed with the Loths over the B&Ws first
and now the Buschhorns over the Loths....

Not possible to cover what music was used for the session (CD, MP3, DVD and
LP) as there was so much of it. One particular standout was the way these
Buschhorns reproduce piano - not the lowest octave too well possibly, but
they can reproduce that 'frost' that hangs round the highest notes you get
from a good piano (but not from an 'electronic' one)....

Ironically/amusingly/irritatingly (?) the most impressive result was when I
hopped through Kill Bill 1 on me new 23 quid DVDP - the music was superb and
the detail in the fight scene (all those people in Kato masks and black
suits) was staggering for sound quality (sword tips lightly dragged on the
floor kinda thing), depth and detail - best I've ever heard it (by far)!

Anyway, at the end of a very trying evening (*we* were not well, *we* hadn't
even been out the last few Friday nights apparently, *we* were sniffing,
snorting and sneezing continuously, *our* arms were aching and had no
strength and *we* were driving me nuts...) the Pinkies got a 'very good'
verdict and a thumbs up all round!!

Which was nice.... :-)

(Hope that wasn't *too* boring for everyone!! :-)

In article , says...
Hi,

"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...

I don't know what is currently available, but you might like to look for
systems made by Denon, or Tivoli. With the Denon system(s) I would
personally feel you would be better to choose speakers from someone like
B&W, KEF, etc, rather than Denon's own.

Agreed. The little Denon systems (D-M33 or 35) paired with the baby
Kefs (Q1?) or the equally small B&W 600 speakers gives very good sound
and takes up very little room space. I ended up with the Denon speakers,
but the D-M33 is very capable, and plenty good enough to drive better
speakers than these.

Regards,

Glenn.

My wife's M31 sounds magic when paired with a pair of JR149s..
Take a bit more driving than the standard Denon/Missions but the imaging is rock solid..


T.
--
Please Tony, NO!! You'd look dreadful in a basque and fishnets..

On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 13:46:55 GMT, Sally wrote:


I should like to buy something simliar to the Bose Acoustic Wave system.
Can anyone recommend these or perhaps there are better systems which are
cheaper as these seem very expensive. I am only interested in quality
systems.

A $30 sony will blow the bose away. In fact, just about any thing else will
sound better unless you're idea of good sound is having an incredible resonance
at 110hz and having every single bass note played at that frequency.

"AZ Nomad" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 13:46:55 GMT, Sally
wrote:


I should like to buy something simliar to the Bose Acoustic Wave system.
Can anyone recommend these or perhaps there are better systems which are
cheaper as these seem very expensive. I am only interested in quality
systems.

A $30 sony will blow the bose away. In fact, just about any thing else
will
sound better unless you're idea of good sound is having an incredible
resonance
at 110hz and having every single bass note played at that frequency.

I think she's decided to go for the Bose. Sounds like her mind was made up
before, and just wanted people to agree with her. However the geeks talking
about techie stuff probably made her run a mile.

Regardless a good quality micro system (that Teac) will outshine everything
about the Bose. Unless you like cheap build quality, and want to pay more
just because of the "Bose" badge.

"Sally" wrote in message
...
I should like to buy something simliar to the Bose Acoustic Wave system.
Can anyone recommend these or perhaps there are better systems which are
cheaper as these seem very expensive. I am only interested in quality
systems.
Thanks.

Hi Sally,

I've only heard Bose once but that was enough to convince me never to buy
any of their systems. Personally if I was after a small system like that I'd
start by looking at what Denon has to offer (they'll give you separate
speakers but surely it's not a problem to put the 3 bits next to each
other...?). Sony would be an obvious choice too. Or if you want something
more hi-fi then maybe Linn systems are worth a look (www.classik.com).

But the number-one reason for not buying the horrible naff ugly rip-off Bose
junk (other than that it's advertised in the Radio Times next to the tartan
remote control holders and porcelain figurines) is that for a little more
you could have some sheer timeless class in the form of a Bang & Olufsen
BeoSound 1. If it's quality product design you're after, definitely go for
B&O - in twenty years it'll look as good as it does today. The sound quality
may not be quite up to what you'd get from a similarly-priced separates
system but I seem to remember it being pretty impressive. And you don't buy
a Rolls Royce because of how fast it'll go, do you?

Hope that helps.
Rich

On Thu, 4 Aug 2005 14:49:28 +0100, Nath wrote:



"AZ Nomad" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 13:46:55 GMT, Sally
wrote:


I should like to buy something simliar to the Bose Acoustic Wave system.
Can anyone recommend these or perhaps there are better systems which are
cheaper as these seem very expensive. I am only interested in quality
systems.

A $30 sony will blow the bose away. In fact, just about any thing else
will
sound better unless you're idea of good sound is having an incredible
resonance
at 110hz and having every single bass note played at that frequency.

I think she's decided to go for the Bose. Sounds like her mind was made up
before, and just wanted people to agree with her. However the geeks talking
about techie stuff probably made her run a mile.

Regardless a good quality micro system (that Teac) will outshine everything
about the Bose. Unless you like cheap build quality, and want to pay more
just because of the "Bose" badge.

Absolutely. For $1500, bose will perform at about the level of a $150 receiver
tied to 5 $30 speakers and a $50 subwoofer. Not a great deal unless you're
looking for that special feelin of pride that comes from having spent too much.

"AZ Nomad" wrote


snip

Absolutely. For $1500, bose will perform at about the level of a $150
receiver
tied to 5 $30 speakers and a $50 subwoofer. Not a great deal unless
you're
looking for that special feelin of pride that comes from having spent too
much.


I'm alway amused to see 'Bose-Bashing' posts - I have only ever owned one
Bose product (a centre speaker for an early AV system) which was no more
expensive than any comparable product, was tiny and sounded absolutely fine.
I have heard a Bose 'lifestyle' CD system that I thought sounded quite OK
and at least as good as another 'mini sytem' I have ever heard and a friend
of mine has heard one of the Waveform Radios and said he thought it sounded
very good indeed and doesn't know what all the hoohah is about! (He owns
plenty of high-end kit including the highly sought-after Trio tuner that
everybody wants but I can't remember the model number of!)

Why does Bose catch all the ****? - There are plenty of other 'expensive'
makes out there and plenty of other *overhyped* products that don't match up
to the manufacturer's claims or the purchaser's expectations!!

??

On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:25:49 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"AZ Nomad" wrote


snip

Absolutely. For $1500, bose will perform at about the level of a $150
receiver
tied to 5 $30 speakers and a $50 subwoofer. Not a great deal unless
you're
looking for that special feelin of pride that comes from having spent too
much.


I'm alway amused to see 'Bose-Bashing' posts - I have only ever owned one
Bose product (a centre speaker for an early AV system) which was no more
expensive than any comparable product, was tiny and sounded absolutely fine.
I have heard a Bose 'lifestyle' CD system that I thought sounded quite OK
and at least as good as another 'mini sytem' I have ever heard and a friend
of mine has heard one of the Waveform Radios and said he thought it sounded
very good indeed and doesn't know what all the hoohah is about! (He owns
plenty of high-end kit including the highly sought-after Trio tuner that
everybody wants but I can't remember the model number of!)

Why does Bose catch all the ****? - There are plenty of other 'expensive'
makes out there and plenty of other *overhyped* products that don't match up
to the manufacturer's claims or the purchaser's expectations!!

??

I think it's a bit suspect when they put the ads in the Sunday papers
and colour supplements with fairly extravagant claims but no prices
mentioned
Gelf

"Gelf" wrote


Why does Bose catch all the ****? - There are plenty of other 'expensive'
makes out there and plenty of other *overhyped* products that don't match
up
to the manufacturer's claims or the purchaser's expectations!!

??

I think it's a bit suspect when they put the ads in the Sunday papers
and colour supplements with fairly extravagant claims but no prices
mentioned



£CALL?

Sign in Miller's Music Shop, Cambridge (pianos etc.) that is almost
certainly still the "The Quality Remains Long After The Price Has Been
Forgotten"...!!

;-)

"Keith G" wrote in message
...

"Gelf" wrote


Why does Bose catch all the ****? - There are plenty of other 'expensive'
makes out there and plenty of other *overhyped* products that don't match
up
to the manufacturer's claims or the purchaser's expectations!!

??

I think it's a bit suspect when they put the ads in the Sunday papers
and colour supplements with fairly extravagant claims but no prices
mentioned



£CALL?


No, it's more like they're thinking "if you have to ask the price you're not
the sort of customer we're looking for"!