I would not normally say any such thing unqualified, but it may have
slipped in through carelessness

I can quite accept that when you reflect on things you can see that
sweeping theoretical statements don't adequately cover the reality of
things. With a thread of 202 posts already, I'm all for cutting down on
misunderstandings on this tricky subject.

"Glenn Richards" wrote in message
. uk...
Iain M Churches wrote:

I have invited you on a previous occasion to visit a session.
But you seem to prefer to hurl abuse from a safe distance:-((

On the occasions between delurking in here I've witnessed Pinkerton launch
many verbal (well, ASCII anyway) attacks on people. In this thread,
because I dared to state that I clearly heard a difference between two
types of cable I'm apparently "arrogant"...

To coin a phrase, "you ain't seen nothin' yet" !!

The guy clearly has issues. He's found himself a home in my killfile on
this particular thread, so he can go and content himself with listening to
teenybopper music recorded on unbranded Type I cassettes with no noise
reduction, through a midi system with speakers connected with bell wire,
whilst fantasising about molesting under-age sheep.


He has launched the same verbal attacks on many, including
John Byrns, and Patrick Turner, two of the most
knowledgeable people in the field of audio on Usenet.
So you are in very good company:-))

I hope that Stewart will accept my invitation, and look
forward to welcoming him on a recording session in
the very near future.

Caveat:
Our technical engineer vows that he will bind
Stewart's mouth with duct tape if he opens it
when the red light it on.


Iain

"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 2 Oct 2005 18:22:14 +0300, "Iain M Churches"
wrote:

"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
. ..
On Sun, 2 Oct 2005 13:19:26 +0300, "Iain M Churches"
wrote:
Piano Trio No4 in E minor, Opus 90, is also known as the Dumky.

Which has nothing whatsoever to do with the Czech words
"nemy" or "pitomy". Languages not your forte, Stewart.?

It's a *pun*, you boneheaded cretin! SAD getting you down already?


Pretty poor pun:-(

I guess you don't have the knowledge to discuss
classical trio form then?

Not in an *audio* newsgroup, certainly.

I notice you deleted the sentence where I wrote that this group
is not the place to do it.

There are dozens of music
newsgroups in which such matters can be discussed to your heart's
content.

yes. I contribute to several.

They bear no relation whatever to the quality of reproduced
sound in the home, which is my interest.

Perhaps your knowledge of music extends to what
Google can find you in the first ten hits:-)

One of your friends on RAT just e.mailed, and said:
"
Don't bother to try to talk about music with Oinkie,
he thinks that all music sounds the same, and even with
DBT cannot differentiate between The Beatles and Bartok"

You certainly have made a good impression, Stewart:-)

I am however curious about one thing. We know that Finland has one of
the highest suicide rates in the world, but I wonder if this was true
*before* you moved there........................ :-)

Or before the Finns began to read your posts on RAT ...................:-)

My wife is a sociologist so this suicide rate something we talk
about often. If you do a little more research you will find the
explanation to the problem.

a. the Finns have a Slavic mentality (they live in the key of
Gb minor - does that mean anything to you?)

b. Although the do not drink any more alcohol than the Germans
or the British, they drink it all at once, often with unfortunate
consequences.

On the positive side, you will find that:

1. Finland has the highest standard of education.

2. Finland also has the highest standard of health care in the EU

3. Finland has the highest standard of social care (no homeless
people living in boxes in shop doorways as in the UK)

4. Finland is also the most industrially competitive nation in the EU.
(shipbuilding, electronics, paper and timber industries)

5. Finland (with Sweden) has the cleanest environment in the EU and
the lowest levels of pollution.

6. Finland covers an area 30%larger than the UK, with only 9% of
the population of the UK, and only 5% of the traffic. There are
100 000 lakes, and many million trees per head of the population.
That's a lot of clean air:-)

7. Compared with the UK, housing is about 50% cheaper, and of
a much higher standard.

8. There are no fabulously rich people as in the UK, but there are no
illiterates or paupers either. Most here are fluent in three languages.
I read that many children in the UK struggle to write their own name.

Unlike the UK, the residents of both Finland and Sweden are happy
with their standard of living, their governments and policies.

Can't be too bad, can it?

Cordially,

Iain







--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Lord Haw-Haw wrote:

snippety-snip

Unlike the UK, the residents of both Finland and Sweden are happy
with their standard of living, their governments and policies.

Can't be too bad, can it?

You mean apart from the fact that they're all topping themselves,
grand-style?

(Not to mention the fact that they're so stupid, they try to drink a year's
worth of booze at one sitting...)


--
Wally
www.artbywally.com
www.wally.myby.co.uk

"Iain M Churches" wrote in message
...

"Glenn Richards" wrote in message
. uk...
Iain M Churches wrote:

I have invited you on a previous occasion to visit a session.
But you seem to prefer to hurl abuse from a safe distance:-((

On the occasions between delurking in here I've witnessed Pinkerton
launch
many verbal (well, ASCII anyway) attacks on people. In this thread,
because I dared to state that I clearly heard a difference between two
types of cable I'm apparently "arrogant"...

To coin a phrase, "you ain't seen nothin' yet" !!

The guy clearly has issues. He's found himself a home in my killfile on
this particular thread, so he can go and content himself with listening
to
teenybopper music recorded on unbranded Type I cassettes with no noise
reduction, through a midi system with speakers connected with bell wire,
whilst fantasising about molesting under-age sheep.


He has launched the same verbal attacks on many, including
John Byrns, and Patrick Turner, two of the most
knowledgeable people in the field of audio on Usenet.
So you are in very good company:-))

I hope that Stewart will accept my invitation, and look
forward to welcoming him on a recording session in
the very near future.

Caveat:
Our technical engineer vows that he will bind
Stewart's mouth with duct tape if he opens it
when the red light it on.


Iain






Mmmm should really be second nature to anyone in that industry. When
broadcasting there were times when the on-air studio seemed like Piccadilly
circus, folk coming and going for multitudinous & legitimate reasons,
sometimes guests having a tour or hourly news readers, sometimes the next
presenters in just for a chat... but as soon as a mic opened (red light)
everyone automatically shut up & froze. An automatic reaction acquired
quickly by newbies through necessity or a very thick ear!!!

Mike

Iain M Churches wrote:
"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
...

On Sun, 2 Oct 2005 18:22:14 +0300, "Iain M Churches"
wrote:


"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
...

On Sun, 2 Oct 2005 13:19:26 +0300, "Iain M Churches"
wrote:

Piano Trio No4 in E minor, Opus 90, is also known as the Dumky.

Which has nothing whatsoever to do with the Czech words
"nemy" or "pitomy". Languages not your forte, Stewart.?

It's a *pun*, you boneheaded cretin! SAD getting you down already?


Pretty poor pun:-(

I guess you don't have the knowledge to discuss
classical trio form then?

Not in an *audio* newsgroup, certainly.


I notice you deleted the sentence where I wrote that this group
is not the place to do it.


There are dozens of music
newsgroups in which such matters can be discussed to your heart's
content.


yes. I contribute to several.


They bear no relation whatever to the quality of reproduced
sound in the home, which is my interest.


Perhaps your knowledge of music extends to what
Google can find you in the first ten hits:-)

One of your friends on RAT just e.mailed, and said:
"
Don't bother to try to talk about music with Oinkie,
he thinks that all music sounds the same, and even with
DBT cannot differentiate between The Beatles and Bartok"

You certainly have made a good impression, Stewart:-)


I am however curious about one thing. We know that Finland has one of
the highest suicide rates in the world, but I wonder if this was true
*before* you moved there........................ :-)


Or before the Finns began to read your posts on RAT ...................:-)

My wife is a sociologist so this suicide rate something we talk
about often. If you do a little more research you will find the
explanation to the problem.

a. the Finns have a Slavic mentality (they live in the key of
Gb minor - does that mean anything to you?)

b. Although the do not drink any more alcohol than the Germans
or the British, they drink it all at once, often with unfortunate
consequences.

On the positive side, you will find that:

1. Finland has the highest standard of education.

2. Finland also has the highest standard of health care in the EU

3. Finland has the highest standard of social care (no homeless
people living in boxes in shop doorways as in the UK)

4. Finland is also the most industrially competitive nation in the EU.
(shipbuilding, electronics, paper and timber industries)

5. Finland (with Sweden) has the cleanest environment in the EU and
the lowest levels of pollution.

6. Finland covers an area 30%larger than the UK, with only 9% of
the population of the UK, and only 5% of the traffic. There are
100 000 lakes, and many million trees per head of the population.
That's a lot of clean air:-)

7. Compared with the UK, housing is about 50% cheaper, and of
a much higher standard.

8. There are no fabulously rich people as in the UK, but there are no
illiterates or paupers either. Most here are fluent in three languages.
I read that many children in the UK struggle to write their own name.

Unlike the UK, the residents of both Finland and Sweden are happy
with their standard of living, their governments and policies.

Can't be too bad, can it?

Cordially,

Iain


If Fins are all so happy - why are they so bleedin' miserable:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/lif_hap_lev_ver_hap

:-)

Anomie, btw, the 'suicide' question answer. Your answers are symptoms,
not cause.

Iain M Churches wrote:

Not in an *audio* newsgroup, certainly.

I notice you deleted the sentence where I wrote that this group
is not the place to do it.

The entire post to which he responded follows...

=================================================
"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 2 Oct 2005 13:19:26 +0300, "Iain M Churches"
wrote:
Piano Trio No4 in E minor, Opus 90, is also known as the Dumky.

Which has nothing whatsoever to do with the Czech words
"nemy" or "pitomy". Languages not your forte, Stewart.?

It's a *pun*, you boneheaded cretin! SAD getting you down already?


Pretty poor pun:-(

I guess you don't have the knowledge to discuss
classical trio form then?

Cordially,

Iain
=================================================

Where is the sentence where you wrote that this group is not the place to do
it?


--
Wally
www.artbywally.com
www.wally.myby.co.uk

Andy Evans wrote:

I can quite accept that when you reflect on things you can see that
sweeping theoretical statements don't adequately cover the reality of
things. With a thread of 202 posts already, I'm all for cutting down on
misunderstandings on this tricky subject.

And all this started simply because I shared a bit of information
regarding some speaker cables I'd installed in my system...

But, I can assure you, there is a difference, it's not psychological,
and I've demonstrated similar effects to many people. There are some
people who cannot hear the difference between two different CD players,
and these people can't be expected to hear a difference between cables
either. But conversely, there are people (such as myself) who can hear a
clear and significant difference.

Of course there's an optimum. And the likes of Russ Andrews can go way
beyond this optimum. The trick is to get the balance between crap
freebie cables and OTT stuff (without getting into the realms of snake oil).

I did a similar test with a friend, swapping between freebie cable and
Cambridge Atlantic (£10 from Richer Sounds). I was sat behind his
system, he couldn't see which cable was in place. All he had was the CD
remote, and I'd shout "start" when the cable was hooked up.

Out of about 10-15 tests (lost count after a while) he was able to tell
me correctly every single time which cable was in use.

So much for "psychological" effects...

--
Glenn Richards Tel: (01453) 845735
Squirrel Solutions http://www.squirrelsolutions.co.uk/

IT consultancy, hardware and software support, broadband installation

Don Pearce wrote:

No - it is still behaving as a transmission line - it has no choice. It is
just that the characteristics are changed. And of course in the case of the
CAT5 speaker cable, parallelling them up effectively drops the corner
frequency. This corner frequency is a network effect.

Are you sure that parallelling cables reduces the transmission line
corner frequency?
Can't see it myself but I'd be happy to be proved wrong.

--
Eiron

I have no spirit to play with you; your dearth of judgment renders you
tedious - Ben Jonson.

In article ,
Iain M Churches wrote:
As for the cable length, consider an awkward load that drops to 2ohm
at some frequency. Using St. Peter Walker's 5% rule, the cable
resistance should not exceed 0.1ohm.

Then get some decent speakers.

Apogees drop to 2 Ohms, apparently. Don't you regard them as decent?

Do you? Do you use them for monitoring? If not, please state why not.

Oh - and you appear to love valve amps. Describe which one you use to
drive them ;-)


--
*I'm already visualizing the duct tape over your mouth

*And I mean this most sincerely folks.*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.