On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 01:01:24 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article .com,
Andy Evans wrote:
I'll not hold my breath waiting for Andy to explain in clear terms
what he means. Because he doesn't believe in accepted measurements,
but some form of 'magic' ventured Plowman.

Don't be so quick to dismiss magic as a human phenomenon - it's an
interesting subject of study. I owe some interest in it to my friend
Jerry Sadowitz who wrote the forward to my book "This Virtual Life -
Escapism and Simulation in our Media World" (Fusion Press, 2001) .
Magic is found in pp 18 to 22, together with Illusion, Paranormal
Psychology, the Psychology of Deception and the magician as escapist.
It is no surprise for me to find you routinely dismissive of some of
the more interesting aspects of human behaviour - others like to keep a
more open mind to psychological aspects of our social interactions.

Thanks for explaining what I already knew. You dismiss DBT as being an
'engineers' method, but know all about the psychology of deception.

He's an interesting nutball, isn't he? Knows all about human
fallibility, but thinks he is somehow immune in his own listening
comparisons. Then again, they do say that pshrinks are nuttier than
their 'clients'..........

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Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

On 13 Feb 2006 11:00:11 -0800, "Andre Jute" wrote:

Jem Raid wrote:
Make a gainclone

I did, while I waited months and months for Stewart Pinkerton to design
and build a silicon homage to my KISS 300B which was calling KISASS.
Unfortunately, Pinko's design turned out so stinko that even he refused
to build it.

Firstly, KISASS is not a homage to anything, it's simply a superior SS
alternative to a minimalist SET design - but not a 'good' amplifier by
any reasonable standard, which is why I didn't build it. Secondly, you
never built KISS, so get off your high horse.

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Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

In article .com, Andre Jute
wrote:
What I did do was to quote verbatim YOUR OWN WORDS, (and I'll quote them
again if it helps) which appear to indicate that you have difficulty with
the concept of somebody with technical knowledge also being competent to
understand art, or "culture". If I've misunderstood those words, please
feel free to explain them and why they don't mean what they appear to
say.

Rod.

Oh, I definitely mean you, Stewart. You're a liar. You use two
deliberate methods calculated to deceive and lie:

1. Unless someone writes out all the qualifications, extensions and
possibilities, you take the most negative and obstructive view of his
words. That is not what decent people do in civilized conversation.
Once may be an oversight but you do it repeatedly. That is deliberate
dishonesty.

[tirade of insults snipped]

If you think I've misunderstood something you posted, then it would be more
helpful to explain it than to accuse me of being a "liar" or taking a
"negative and obstructive view". I simply take views based on what I read.

In particular, if I've grasped the wrong indended meaning of your words,
please correct my misunderstanding and tell me what you really mean to imply
with the words "a different class of person, one of culture rather than a
technician" (your words, verbatim), and what exactly is a "jumped-up techie"
(your words, verbatim, again)?

Rod.

Stewart Pinkerton wrote:
On 13 Feb 2006 11:00:11 -0800, "Andre Jute" wrote:

Jem Raid wrote:
Make a gainclone

I did, while I waited months and months for Stewart Pinkerton to design
and build a silicon homage to my KISS 300B which was calling KISASS.
Unfortunately, Pinko's design turned out so stinko that even he refused
to build it.

Firstly, KISASS is not a homage to anything, it's simply a superior SS
alternative to a minimalist SET design - but not a 'good' amplifier by
any reasonable standard, which is why I didn't build it. Secondly, you
never built KISS, so get off your high horse.

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Perhaps we should take up a collection on UKRA to buy you spectacles,
Pinkostinko. Photos of versions of my T39 KISS Amp have been sitting on
the net for years. Here's a photo that has been sitting there since
around a fortnight before you thought of your wretched KISASS travesty,
say 15 months:
http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/t39kiss001.jpg
None so blind as those who don't want to see, eh, Pinko?

Of course, if you really didn't know of these photographs, it is a dire
commentary on your universal unpopularity that, even as you repeatedly
for more than a year now made a fool of yourself by claiming I didn't
build an amplifier that everyone else knows I have built over and over
and over in various incarnations, no one told you where to find the
photographs. I feel sorry for you, Pinko.

Furthermore, don't you claim to be an engineer, more particulary an
electronics engineer? How is it that an "electronics engineer" cannot
see instantly that another amp repeatedly discussed *with reference to
the photographs* on RAT while you hung around like a bad smell, my T68
"Minus Zero" potato amp, is in fact only the T39 KISS Amp with the 300B
removed and the 417A used as power tubes?

Or do you call yourself an electronics engineer because your mommie
said you could? Postman Pinko, mommie's little "engineer". Lovel-ly!

Tallyho! From my high horse,

Andre Jute
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Roderick Stewart wrote:
In article .com, Andre Jute
wrote:
What I did do was to quote verbatim YOUR OWN WORDS, (and I'll quote them
again if it helps) which appear to indicate that you have difficulty with
the concept of somebody with technical knowledge also being competent to
understand art, or "culture". If I've misunderstood those words, please
feel free to explain them and why they don't mean what they appear to
say.

Rod.

Oh, I definitely mean you, Stewart. You're a liar. You use two
deliberate methods calculated to deceive and lie:

1. Unless someone writes out all the qualifications, extensions and
possibilities, you take the most negative and obstructive view of his
words. That is not what decent people do in civilized conversation.
Once may be an oversight but you do it repeatedly. That is deliberate
dishonesty.

[tirade of insults snipped]

If you think I've misunderstood something you posted, then it would be more
helpful to explain it than to accuse me of being a "liar" or taking a
"negative and obstructive view". I simply take views based on what I read.

In particular, if I've grasped the wrong indended meaning of your words,
please correct my misunderstanding and tell me what you really mean to imply
with the words "a different class of person, one of culture rather than a
technician" (your words, verbatim), and what exactly is a "jumped-up techie"
(your words, verbatim, again)?

Rod.

Here is the text Stewart snipped from my letter in order to hide his
dishonesty from you. Nothing further needs to be said. --Andre Jute

******
2. When someone does write out the qualifications, you snip dishonestly
to make your preconceived points. For instance, to establish your claim
above that "you [Jute] have difficulty with the concept of somebody
with technical knowledge also being competent to understand art, or
'culture'", from my very first reply to your silly allegation you
snipped my direct statement to the contrary: "Oh, by the way, not only
didn't I say what you accuse me of saying...*** I said exactly the
opposite***... that I know many cultured engineers, in this same
thread, in messages which appeared on the newsgroup hours before you
wrote your cramped, ill-informed, slanted, wrongheaded reply." Then you
repeatedly snip my iterated refutations of your claim while hammering
on about your misinterpretation of my straightforward words. That is
deliberate, iterative dishonesty.

Those who want to see the evidence for these conclusions of Stewart's
dishonesty may start in the subthread following this post:
http://groups.google.ie/group/uk.rec...a7a4?rnum=31&q

These two dishonesties cause me to call Arny Krueger lying scum. These
two dishonesties cause me to call Stewart Pinkerton lying scum. I see
no reason not to call you, Roderick Stewart, a liar for the same
dishonesties.

I can't see a single reason to waste any further time corresponding
with someone as deliberately dishonest as you, Stewart.

Andre Jute
*************

On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:59:10 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote


I suspect you are right about the 'Class A' thing and am hoping to grab
a
Class A SS amp for reasonable money in a couple of says time to check it
out
for myself and compare it with the Class A valve amps I already have.

I mostly use a Class A Krell amplifier - it sounds just like my
low-bias Class AB Audiolab amplifier.................


There is *no question* that my Class A valve amps sound better than my AB
valve amps...

Sure there's a question - ever try a blind level-matched comparison?

Perhaps it's your speakers?

They are a tough load, but highly transparent - very good at sorting
the men from the boys in the amplifier department.


The smaller and lower-powered the better. There is a suspicion held by
more ultrafidelista than just the microwatters that higher power in
itself interferes with desirable delicacy in one's sound.

Those are the words of Fruitius Loopius, but I happen to agree. I am a lot
more comfortable with the idea that there isn't too much *constriction*
going on in the amp/speaker arrangement....

There is if you constrict the amp to less than ten watts!

That's because they are idiots who think SET amps sound good, so they
make up these fairy stories about proper amplifiers in order to
ascribe some magical property to their pathetic flea-power crap.

:-)

It's the word 'pathetic' that says most here - FWIW, no-one much can stand
the 'loudness' of my 8 watt 300B SET at half volume here.....

Depends on the speakers, don't it?

I can crank my Krell flat out without causing listener fatigue - they
don't realise how loud it is until they try to talk above the music.
Now *that* has always been a good test of a clean system for me. Maybe
it's your speakers? :-)

OK, I know that's fightin' talk, pilgrim!

The
term 'ultrafidelista' is of course just more of your pretentious
twaddle.

Yes, he means 'ultrafidelitians' I suspect.... ;-)

Who ever knows *what* the heal the idiot Jute really means? There's
always about three hundred lines of purple prose, with a dozen words
of content (if you're lucky).

Doesn't include me, btw - I'm not hung up on 'fidelity', I'm a *consumer*
who is more interested in the sound than the signal...

Quite right, too!
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 08:41:45 +0000 (GMT), Jim Lesurf
wrote:

In article , Stewart Pinkerton
wrote:


You never need to trust an engineer - unless you fly...... :-)

Or cross a bridge... or go into a tall building... or... :-)

Thinking of the 'Millenium Bridge' in London, Andy may have a point
about some of the dodgier engineers........... :-)
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Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:59:13 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Andre Jute" wrote in message
roups.com...

Keith G wrote:


I'm most definitely a SeTtie (worked my way up to it) but the *absence*
of
the usual crossposting encourages me to read further...

These are considerations of culture rather than technicalities.


Culture without etiquette is like a snake with no head...

Hmmm, I find 'culture' without etiquette definitely has fangs......

The smaller and lower-powered the better. There is a suspicion held by
more ultrafidelista than just the microwatters that higher power in
itself interferes with desirable delicacy in one's sound.

Yes, I'm very hip to the 'Zen' of flea-power amps moving serious air with
large, sensitive speakers, myself.

The idea of an arc-welder driving a pair of ironing boards is a bit like a
V8 motorcar being driven with the handbrake permanently on, in my book......

Isn't that very *American* - needing 200 watts to do 55 mph....??? :-)

Ah, but my ironing boards are lifting bodies, and can do Mach 5!

Your approach is more like a Sinclair C5, lots of squawking but no
real progress................... :-)

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Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:59:15 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:


"John Phillips" wrote


snip pricky stuff


It is difficult to generalize but most of the successful engineers I
know are also highly cultured people. Indeed, lunch today will be with
an engineering manager friend who plays the clarinet and I look forward
to discussing the programming of a forthcoming concert in which he will
perform. I find that good engineers often have a broader appreciation
of culture than those who claim the title "cultured" for themselves.


This phrase 'good engineers' bothers me....

(Implies there engineers who are *not* good - where do the they go then??)

They design wobbly footbridges - and valve amps....... :-)
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Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

On 14 Feb 2006 03:30:55 -0800, "Andy Evans"
wrote:

Keith wrote: My problem (or saving grace) is that I accomodate the
change in sound from different items of audio gear very quickly, which
is why I so elicit the opinions of others when the opportunity presents
- I'm interested in what they think, I don't need then to tell me what
I like.......

I hope Keith won't mind my referring to this as typical of higher
Factor A, showing "openness, flexibility, attention to people, ability
to co-operate, adaptability and an easy-going nature". In other posts
I've referred at some length to low Factor A and its association with
engineers as a group.

And it's a fine illustration of how actual high fidelity sound is low
on the list of priorities, getting all empathetic is much more
important. You see, a high factor A doesn't really bring 'openness and
flexibility', just a desperate need to 'fit in', regardless of the
reality of the situation. Ever read 'The Emperor's New Clothes'? The
little boy went on to design bridges.............

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Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering