Advice needed on new Hi-Fi system
 

On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:46:51 -0500, dave weil
wrote:

Yes, I thought that Lionel was kidding when apparently he wasn't.

He was half right, too. Sansui did indeed make some nice amps in the
'70s, but of course they were push-pull solid state, not SETs.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Advice needed on new Hi-Fi system
 

On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 07:35:14 -0500, dave weil
wrote:

On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 06:47:13 GMT, (Stewart
Pinkerton) wrote:

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 22:02:16 +0200, Lionel
lionel{dot}chapuis{at}free{dot}fr wrote:

dave weil a écrit :
On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 18:34:58 GMT, (Stewart
Pinkerton) wrote:

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 10:43:03 -0500, dave weil
wrote:

Ironically, SETs were virtually unknown as hifi amplifiers at the time.

Maybe to *your* crew.

To *everyone*, you ignorant troll. Find me *one* supposedly 'hi fi'
SET amp from before 1980.

Try looking in Japan.

If you can see that far...

You are right Dave, Sansui has manufactured good amplifiers at this time.

Not SETs.

Ummmm Stewart, couldn't you read the sarcasm? Didn't it translate?

There was no sarcasm, as you belatedly realised. You are of course
still wrong about the existence of 'high end' SETs before 1980.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Advice needed on new Hi-Fi system
 

On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 07:35:14 -0500, dave weil
wrote:

On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 06:47:13 GMT, (Stewart
Pinkerton) wrote:

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 22:02:16 +0200, Lionel
lionel{dot}chapuis{at}free{dot}fr wrote:

dave weil a écrit :
On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 18:34:58 GMT, (Stewart
Pinkerton) wrote:

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 10:43:03 -0500, dave weil
wrote:

Ironically, SETs were virtually unknown as hifi amplifiers at the time.

Maybe to *your* crew.

To *everyone*, you ignorant troll. Find me *one* supposedly 'hi fi'
SET amp from before 1980.

Try looking in Japan.

If you can see that far...

You are right Dave, Sansui has manufactured good amplifiers at this time.

Not SETs.

Ummmm Stewart, couldn't you read the sarcasm? Didn't it translate?

There was no sarcasm, as you belatedly realised. You are of course
still wrong about the existence of 'high end' SETs before 1980.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Advice needed on new Hi-Fi system
 

On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 07:34:30 -0500, dave weil
wrote:

On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 06:47:11 GMT, (Stewart
Pinkerton) wrote:

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 14:20:59 -0500, dave weil
wrote:

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 18:34:50 GMT, (Stewart
Pinkerton) wrote:

BTW, where is the evidence that it was poorly constructed? As ever
Vile, you're just a brain-dead troll.

Tell me, if it *were* a 'classic push-pull design" "properly
constructed", wouldn't it have sounded the SAME as the other amp?

Possibly, but tube amps tend also to have problems with microphony and
noise. The '62 Corvette is also a 'classic design', but that doesn't
mean that it has decent performance!

Now you're qualifying and you know that this is mere sophistry.

Not at all. In the early '60s, the Mullard 10 and 20 watt designs were
just about state of the art for medium power amplifiers, and are
certainly classic designs, but in no way compare with modern
amplifiers, or indeed with their Radford and Leak contemporaries.

While it's *possible* that a Mullard 5/20 would sound the same as a
good modern SS integrated amp such as the Yamaha AX-592 below say 10
watts output, I wouldn't put money on it!
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Advice needed on new Hi-Fi system
 

On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 07:34:30 -0500, dave weil
wrote:

On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 06:47:11 GMT, (Stewart
Pinkerton) wrote:

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 14:20:59 -0500, dave weil
wrote:

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 18:34:50 GMT, (Stewart
Pinkerton) wrote:

BTW, where is the evidence that it was poorly constructed? As ever
Vile, you're just a brain-dead troll.

Tell me, if it *were* a 'classic push-pull design" "properly
constructed", wouldn't it have sounded the SAME as the other amp?

Possibly, but tube amps tend also to have problems with microphony and
noise. The '62 Corvette is also a 'classic design', but that doesn't
mean that it has decent performance!

Now you're qualifying and you know that this is mere sophistry.

Not at all. In the early '60s, the Mullard 10 and 20 watt designs were
just about state of the art for medium power amplifiers, and are
certainly classic designs, but in no way compare with modern
amplifiers, or indeed with their Radford and Leak contemporaries.

While it's *possible* that a Mullard 5/20 would sound the same as a
good modern SS integrated amp such as the Yamaha AX-592 below say 10
watts output, I wouldn't put money on it!
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Advice needed on new Hi-Fi system
 

On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 17:08:33 GMT, (Stewart
Pinkerton) wrote:

On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:46:51 -0500, dave weil
wrote:

Yes, I thought that Lionel was kidding when apparently he wasn't.

He was half right, too. Sansui did indeed make some nice amps in the
'70s, but of course they were push-pull solid state, not SETs.

Agreed. They also had a nice preamp in the late 80s. I owned one for a
while. I don't recall the number. It was the last gasp of a decent
company, as far as I know.

Advice needed on new Hi-Fi system
 

On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 17:08:33 GMT, (Stewart
Pinkerton) wrote:

On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:46:51 -0500, dave weil
wrote:

Yes, I thought that Lionel was kidding when apparently he wasn't.

He was half right, too. Sansui did indeed make some nice amps in the
'70s, but of course they were push-pull solid state, not SETs.

Agreed. They also had a nice preamp in the late 80s. I owned one for a
while. I don't recall the number. It was the last gasp of a decent
company, as far as I know.

Advice needed on new Hi-Fi system
 

On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 17:08:34 GMT, (Stewart
Pinkerton) wrote:

On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 07:35:14 -0500, dave weil
wrote:

On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 06:47:13 GMT, (Stewart
Pinkerton) wrote:

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 22:02:16 +0200, Lionel
lionel{dot}chapuis{at}free{dot}fr wrote:

dave weil a écrit :
On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 18:34:58 GMT, (Stewart
Pinkerton) wrote:

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 10:43:03 -0500, dave weil
wrote:

Ironically, SETs were virtually unknown as hifi amplifiers at the time.

Maybe to *your* crew.

To *everyone*, you ignorant troll. Find me *one* supposedly 'hi fi'
SET amp from before 1980.

Try looking in Japan.

If you can see that far...

You are right Dave, Sansui has manufactured good amplifiers at this time.

Not SETs.

Ummmm Stewart, couldn't you read the sarcasm? Didn't it translate?

There was no sarcasm, as you belatedly realised. You are of course
still wrong about the existence of 'high end' SETs before 1980.

No I'm not. The Japanese had them back into the 60s.

Advice needed on new Hi-Fi system
 

On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 17:08:34 GMT, (Stewart
Pinkerton) wrote:

On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 07:35:14 -0500, dave weil
wrote:

On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 06:47:13 GMT, (Stewart
Pinkerton) wrote:

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 22:02:16 +0200, Lionel
lionel{dot}chapuis{at}free{dot}fr wrote:

dave weil a écrit :
On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 18:34:58 GMT, (Stewart
Pinkerton) wrote:

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 10:43:03 -0500, dave weil
wrote:

Ironically, SETs were virtually unknown as hifi amplifiers at the time.

Maybe to *your* crew.

To *everyone*, you ignorant troll. Find me *one* supposedly 'hi fi'
SET amp from before 1980.

Try looking in Japan.

If you can see that far...

You are right Dave, Sansui has manufactured good amplifiers at this time.

Not SETs.

Ummmm Stewart, couldn't you read the sarcasm? Didn't it translate?

There was no sarcasm, as you belatedly realised. You are of course
still wrong about the existence of 'high end' SETs before 1980.

No I'm not. The Japanese had them back into the 60s.

Advice needed on new Hi-Fi system
 

On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 17:08:36 GMT, (Stewart
Pinkerton) wrote:

On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 07:34:30 -0500, dave weil
wrote:

On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 06:47:11 GMT, (Stewart
Pinkerton) wrote:

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 14:20:59 -0500, dave weil
wrote:

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 18:34:50 GMT, (Stewart
Pinkerton) wrote:

BTW, where is the evidence that it was poorly constructed? As ever
Vile, you're just a brain-dead troll.

Tell me, if it *were* a 'classic push-pull design" "properly
constructed", wouldn't it have sounded the SAME as the other amp?

Possibly, but tube amps tend also to have problems with microphony and
noise. The '62 Corvette is also a 'classic design', but that doesn't
mean that it has decent performance!

Now you're qualifying and you know that this is mere sophistry.

Not at all. In the early '60s, the Mullard 10 and 20 watt designs were
just about state of the art for medium power amplifiers, and are
certainly classic designs, but in no way compare with modern
amplifiers, or indeed with their Radford and Leak contemporaries.

While it's *possible* that a Mullard 5/20 would sound the same as a
good modern SS integrated amp such as the Yamaha AX-592 below say 10
watts output, I wouldn't put money on it!

Heck, I totally agree with this. I find tube amps to generally have a
different sound than SS models.