Advice needed on new Hi-Fi system
 

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 18:34:50 GMT, (Stewart
Pinkerton) wrote:

On , 25 Sep 2003 10:40:05 -0500, dave weil
wrote:

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 06:47:16 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"SMWTMS listening tests at Jeff's Vajgart's apartment in May, 1977 compared
several "good" and "bad" amplifiers. My Dyna 400, and a Paoli 60 owned by
David West, represented the former. Two home brew amplifiers - the
Muller/Heath 10/7 watt (tube) and David Clark's "Schwartz 40" represented
the latter. Jeff had Spendor Loudspeakers, which were known to be accurate
reproducers."

This isn't proof. It's just a statement that you made.

Given that the test took place in 1977, anyone who actually *knew*
anything about hi-fi would be aware that only the cheapest and
nastiest available valve amps were single-ended at that time. The
Mullard 10/7 is a classic push-pull design which was co-opted by
Heath.

What does have to do with Arnold's "proof" that the unidentified 10
watt amp tested on the ABX site was actually a Heath? Is this the kind
of "science" that you use?

BTW, even if it were true, why were you using obviously poorly built
home-brew amplifiers in a serious test?

Possibly to prove that even such an amp can be sonically transparent?

That wouldn't "prove" that an amp was sonically transparent. It would
just show the difference between a poorly built amp and another amp.
It wouldn't "prove" that the other amp was "transparent", just
different.

BTW, where is the evidence that it was poorly constructed? As ever
Vile, you're just a brain-dead troll.

Tell me, if it *were* a 'classic push-pull design" "properly
constructed", wouldn't it have sounded the SAME as the other amp?
Isn't that what you claim? You say that an SET would sound the same,
right?

Oooops, looks like you blew a fuse there, Stewie.

Advice needed on new Hi-Fi system
 

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 18:34:58 GMT, (Stewart
Pinkerton) wrote:

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 10:43:03 -0500, dave weil
wrote:

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 06:47:16 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

Ironically, SETs were virtually unknown as hifi amplifiers at the time.

Maybe to *your* crew.

To *everyone*, you ignorant troll. Find me *one* supposedly 'hi fi'
SET amp from before 1980.

Try looking in Japan.

If you can see that far...

Advice needed on new Hi-Fi system
 

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 18:34:58 GMT, (Stewart
Pinkerton) wrote:

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 10:43:03 -0500, dave weil
wrote:

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 06:47:16 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

Ironically, SETs were virtually unknown as hifi amplifiers at the time.

Maybe to *your* crew.

To *everyone*, you ignorant troll. Find me *one* supposedly 'hi fi'
SET amp from before 1980.

Try looking in Japan.

If you can see that far...

Advice needed on new Hi-Fi system
 

dave weil a écrit :
On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 18:34:58 GMT, (Stewart
Pinkerton) wrote:


On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 10:43:03 -0500, dave weil
wrote:


On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 06:47:16 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:


Ironically, SETs were virtually unknown as hifi amplifiers at the time.

Maybe to *your* crew.

To *everyone*, you ignorant troll. Find me *one* supposedly 'hi fi'
SET amp from before 1980.


Try looking in Japan.

If you can see that far...

You are right Dave, Sansui has manufactured good amplifiers at this time.

Advice needed on new Hi-Fi system
 

dave weil a écrit :
On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 18:34:58 GMT, (Stewart
Pinkerton) wrote:


On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 10:43:03 -0500, dave weil
wrote:


On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 06:47:16 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:


Ironically, SETs were virtually unknown as hifi amplifiers at the time.

Maybe to *your* crew.

To *everyone*, you ignorant troll. Find me *one* supposedly 'hi fi'
SET amp from before 1980.


Try looking in Japan.

If you can see that far...

You are right Dave, Sansui has manufactured good amplifiers at this time.

Advice needed on new Hi-Fi system
 

"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
...
Of course, *all* amplifiers *measure* differently - but what does that
matter? Naturally, the 'Golden-Eared Subjectivists' will all *claim*
that they are 'night and day', as you have implied above, but it ain't
necessarily so.


Right, it ain't necessarily so. But it could be so.




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"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
...
Of course, *all* amplifiers *measure* differently - but what does that
matter? Naturally, the 'Golden-Eared Subjectivists' will all *claim*
that they are 'night and day', as you have implied above, but it ain't
necessarily so.


Right, it ain't necessarily so. But it could be so.




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On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 14:20:59 -0500, dave weil
wrote:

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 18:34:50 GMT, (Stewart
Pinkerton) wrote:

BTW, where is the evidence that it was poorly constructed? As ever
Vile, you're just a brain-dead troll.

Tell me, if it *were* a 'classic push-pull design" "properly
constructed", wouldn't it have sounded the SAME as the other amp?

Possibly, but tube amps tend also to have problems with microphony and
noise. The '62 Corvette is also a 'classic design', but that doesn't
mean that it has decent performance!

Isn't that what you claim? You say that an SET would sound the same,
right?

Oooops, looks like you blew a fuse there, Stewie.

typical Vile sophistry. I said that I could put up *a* SET amp that
would sound the same as a SS amp, I did not say that *most* SET amps
could achieve this.

--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Advice needed on new Hi-Fi system
 

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 14:20:59 -0500, dave weil
wrote:

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 18:34:50 GMT, (Stewart
Pinkerton) wrote:

BTW, where is the evidence that it was poorly constructed? As ever
Vile, you're just a brain-dead troll.

Tell me, if it *were* a 'classic push-pull design" "properly
constructed", wouldn't it have sounded the SAME as the other amp?

Possibly, but tube amps tend also to have problems with microphony and
noise. The '62 Corvette is also a 'classic design', but that doesn't
mean that it has decent performance!

Isn't that what you claim? You say that an SET would sound the same,
right?

Oooops, looks like you blew a fuse there, Stewie.

typical Vile sophistry. I said that I could put up *a* SET amp that
would sound the same as a SS amp, I did not say that *most* SET amps
could achieve this.

--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Advice needed on new Hi-Fi system
 

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 22:02:16 +0200, Lionel
lionel{dot}chapuis{at}free{dot}fr wrote:

dave weil a écrit :
On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 18:34:58 GMT, (Stewart
Pinkerton) wrote:


On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 10:43:03 -0500, dave weil
wrote:


On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 06:47:16 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:


Ironically, SETs were virtually unknown as hifi amplifiers at the time.

Maybe to *your* crew.

To *everyone*, you ignorant troll. Find me *one* supposedly 'hi fi'
SET amp from before 1980.

Try looking in Japan.

If you can see that far...

You are right Dave, Sansui has manufactured good amplifiers at this time.

Not SETs.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering