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Stewart Pinkerton September 25th 03 06:38 AM

Advice needed on new Hi-Fi system
 
On 24 Sep 2003 19:06:52 -0700, (JBorg) wrote:

Stewart Pinkerton wrote
JBorg wrote:
Stewrat Pinkerton wrote:


" If you really believe in 'cable sound', I have a standing offer of
£1,000 to *anyone* who can tell apart any two cables under double-blind
conditions, the only proviso being that they measure +/- 0.1dB from
20-20kHz at the speaker terminals. This is trivially easy for all but
the most pathological cables. "


Are you still sure about this offer at RAO ?


I don't read r.a.o, but the offer stands.


Well you ought to stay off RAO from making a fraudulent, deceptive
offer 'cause I will personally kick your ass every time you do, every
time.


Judging by your posts so far, you couldn't find your own ass with both
hands, never mind kick anyone else's. The offer is genuine, has been
on the table for years, and none of you gutless wonders has even
*tried* to collect it.

Keep your stupidity at Uk.rec.audio if that's what they want.


I do. Some other clown cross-posted this thread to r.a.o. Clearly, you
prefer that brain-dead environment.

You are an English embarrassment, and a coward to boot..


I'm Scottish, and I'm the one putting his cash where his mouth is,
unlike you..........
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

dave weil September 25th 03 07:05 AM

Advice needed on new Hi-Fi system
 
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 22:54:40 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:


"dave weil" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 16:42:23 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:


"dave weil" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 14:37:34 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:


"dave weil" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 07:46:10 -0400, "Arny Krueger"


wrote:

And I can put up a SET amp and a Denon which I'd bet will *not*
sound
differently at normal listening levels................

Right, but Weil apparently doesn't know that.

The ole ABX site didn't seem to think so...

The old ABX site tested exactly zero SETs.

You lose Weil.


Again.


Try checking your facts next time...


OK, 10 watt tube amp then. whatever *that* was.


Push pull, power tetrodes with loop feedback.


Prove it.


Please see http://www.mods.com/heath-hifi/schema.html . I really don't know
which Heath amp it was, but the reference shows that *all* or virtually all
Heath tubed HiFi amps of the day had those features.


Prove that it was a Heath amp. You can't because you don't even know
what model it was. Prove that it wasn't an SET.

As far as I know from
the site, it *could* be an SET, so I only "partially" lose.


You could have asked for more relevant facts if you had the brains and
decency to do so, Weil.





dave weil September 25th 03 07:05 AM

Advice needed on new Hi-Fi system
 
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 22:54:40 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:


"dave weil" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 16:42:23 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:


"dave weil" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 14:37:34 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:


"dave weil" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 07:46:10 -0400, "Arny Krueger"


wrote:

And I can put up a SET amp and a Denon which I'd bet will *not*
sound
differently at normal listening levels................

Right, but Weil apparently doesn't know that.

The ole ABX site didn't seem to think so...

The old ABX site tested exactly zero SETs.

You lose Weil.


Again.


Try checking your facts next time...


OK, 10 watt tube amp then. whatever *that* was.


Push pull, power tetrodes with loop feedback.


Prove it.


Please see http://www.mods.com/heath-hifi/schema.html . I really don't know
which Heath amp it was, but the reference shows that *all* or virtually all
Heath tubed HiFi amps of the day had those features.


Prove that it was a Heath amp. You can't because you don't even know
what model it was. Prove that it wasn't an SET.

As far as I know from
the site, it *could* be an SET, so I only "partially" lose.


You could have asked for more relevant facts if you had the brains and
decency to do so, Weil.





George M. Middius September 25th 03 09:52 AM

Advice needed on new Hi-Fi system
 


Stewart Pinkerton said:

Well you ought to stay off RAO from making a fraudulent, deceptive
offer 'cause I will personally kick your ass every time you do, every
time.


Judging by your posts so far


Did you figure it out yet, Pukey? Do you remember who you're chatting
with now?



George M. Middius September 25th 03 09:52 AM

Advice needed on new Hi-Fi system
 


Stewart Pinkerton said:

Well you ought to stay off RAO from making a fraudulent, deceptive
offer 'cause I will personally kick your ass every time you do, every
time.


Judging by your posts so far


Did you figure it out yet, Pukey? Do you remember who you're chatting
with now?



JBorg September 25th 03 09:53 AM

Advice needed on new Hi-Fi system
 
Stewart Pinkerton wrote:
JBorg wrote:
Stewart Pinkerton wrote
JBorg wrote:
Stewrat Pinkerton wrote:




" If you really believe in 'cable sound', I have a standing offer of
£1,000 to *anyone* who can tell apart any two cables under double-blind
conditions, the only proviso being that they measure +/- 0.1dB from
20-20kHz at the speaker terminals. This is trivially easy for all but
the most pathological cables. "


Are you still sure about this offer at RAO ?


I don't read r.a.o, but the offer stands.


Well you ought to stay off RAO from making a fraudulent, deceptive
offer 'cause I will personally kick your a** every time you do, every
time.



Judging by your posts so far, you couldn't find your own ass with both
hands, never mind kick anyone else's. The offer is genuine, has been
on the table for years, and none of you gutless wonders has even
*tried* to collect it.



The offer is genuine? All you're good at is yak like Ferstler. You'll
"snip" your trouser and bury your head in your ass under artillery fire.
Your a bad joke.



NOW for some gut-busting scream:


I SAID:

Keep your stupidity at Uk.rec.audio if that's what they want.



STEWART "I'm a qualified physicist and an engineer" PINKERTON replied:


I do. Some other clown cross-posted this thread to r.a.o.



BWAHahahahah!!! There it is fine gentlemen of English blood!! and other
parts of the Kingdom !! LOL LOL LOL He said it, he said it, hahahah
I do I do I do !!! He is now determine to give you all his willies !

Because it is what you want! Hahahaha!

LOL again!!, and bouncing my a** on the floor this time!! and rolling...
Goofball will be proud of him.


Clearly, you prefer that brain-dead environment.


No we just detest scammers hahaha lol! We like to spin 'em around,
toss 'em in the air, and, well, send them to other newsgroup.
Hahahah


You are an English embarrassment, and a coward to boot..



I'm Scottish, and I'm the one putting his cash where his mouth is,
unlike you..........



....... unlike you, you're a lying scam artist who uses money as a bait
to delude gullible audiophiles just so to satiate your cantankerous,
revolting selfish ego. Hahahahah...

--

You're dismissed.

JBorg September 25th 03 09:53 AM

Advice needed on new Hi-Fi system
 
Stewart Pinkerton wrote:
JBorg wrote:
Stewart Pinkerton wrote
JBorg wrote:
Stewrat Pinkerton wrote:




" If you really believe in 'cable sound', I have a standing offer of
£1,000 to *anyone* who can tell apart any two cables under double-blind
conditions, the only proviso being that they measure +/- 0.1dB from
20-20kHz at the speaker terminals. This is trivially easy for all but
the most pathological cables. "


Are you still sure about this offer at RAO ?


I don't read r.a.o, but the offer stands.


Well you ought to stay off RAO from making a fraudulent, deceptive
offer 'cause I will personally kick your a** every time you do, every
time.



Judging by your posts so far, you couldn't find your own ass with both
hands, never mind kick anyone else's. The offer is genuine, has been
on the table for years, and none of you gutless wonders has even
*tried* to collect it.



The offer is genuine? All you're good at is yak like Ferstler. You'll
"snip" your trouser and bury your head in your ass under artillery fire.
Your a bad joke.



NOW for some gut-busting scream:


I SAID:

Keep your stupidity at Uk.rec.audio if that's what they want.



STEWART "I'm a qualified physicist and an engineer" PINKERTON replied:


I do. Some other clown cross-posted this thread to r.a.o.



BWAHahahahah!!! There it is fine gentlemen of English blood!! and other
parts of the Kingdom !! LOL LOL LOL He said it, he said it, hahahah
I do I do I do !!! He is now determine to give you all his willies !

Because it is what you want! Hahahaha!

LOL again!!, and bouncing my a** on the floor this time!! and rolling...
Goofball will be proud of him.


Clearly, you prefer that brain-dead environment.


No we just detest scammers hahaha lol! We like to spin 'em around,
toss 'em in the air, and, well, send them to other newsgroup.
Hahahah


You are an English embarrassment, and a coward to boot..



I'm Scottish, and I'm the one putting his cash where his mouth is,
unlike you..........



....... unlike you, you're a lying scam artist who uses money as a bait
to delude gullible audiophiles just so to satiate your cantankerous,
revolting selfish ego. Hahahahah...

--

You're dismissed.

Arny Krueger September 25th 03 10:47 AM

Advice needed on new Hi-Fi system
 

"dave weil" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 22:54:40 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:


"dave weil" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 16:42:23 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:


"dave weil" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 14:37:34 -0400, "Arny Krueger"


wrote:


"dave weil" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 07:46:10 -0400, "Arny Krueger"


wrote:

And I can put up a SET amp and a Denon which I'd bet will

*not*
sound
differently at normal listening levels................

Right, but Weil apparently doesn't know that.

The ole ABX site didn't seem to think so...

The old ABX site tested exactly zero SETs.

You lose Weil.


Again.


Try checking your facts next time...


OK, 10 watt tube amp then. whatever *that* was.


Push pull, power tetrodes with loop feedback.


Prove it.


Please see http://www.mods.com/heath-hifi/schema.html . I really don't

know
which Heath amp it was, but the reference shows that *all* or virtually

all
Heath tubed HiFi amps of the day had those features.


Prove that it was a Heath amp.


http://www.google.com/groups?selm=6f...ibur.flash.net

"SMWTMS listening tests at Jeff's Vajgart's apartment in May, 1977 compared
several "good" and "bad" amplifiers. My Dyna 400, and a Paoli 60 owned by
David West, represented the former. Two home brew amplifiers - the
Muller/Heath 10/7 watt (tube) and David Clark's "Schwartz 40" represented
the latter. Jeff had Spendor Loudspeakers, which were known to be accurate
reproducers."


You can't because you don't even know
what model it was.


I don't have to know what model it was. Ironically, SETs were virtually
unknown as hifi amplifiers at the time. Of course you weren't even aware of
these issues at the time, Weil. One of these days you'll have to learn that
there was a world before your litter was ejected from its mother.

Prove that it wasn't an SET.


I did, but you're in denial again, Weil.

As far as I know from
the site, it *could* be an SET, so I only "partially" lose.


You could have asked for more relevant facts if you had the brains and
decency to do so, Weil.


Weil bites the dust, again.

Yawn!




Arny Krueger September 25th 03 10:47 AM

Advice needed on new Hi-Fi system
 

"dave weil" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 22:54:40 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:


"dave weil" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 16:42:23 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:


"dave weil" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 14:37:34 -0400, "Arny Krueger"


wrote:


"dave weil" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 07:46:10 -0400, "Arny Krueger"


wrote:

And I can put up a SET amp and a Denon which I'd bet will

*not*
sound
differently at normal listening levels................

Right, but Weil apparently doesn't know that.

The ole ABX site didn't seem to think so...

The old ABX site tested exactly zero SETs.

You lose Weil.


Again.


Try checking your facts next time...


OK, 10 watt tube amp then. whatever *that* was.


Push pull, power tetrodes with loop feedback.


Prove it.


Please see http://www.mods.com/heath-hifi/schema.html . I really don't

know
which Heath amp it was, but the reference shows that *all* or virtually

all
Heath tubed HiFi amps of the day had those features.


Prove that it was a Heath amp.


http://www.google.com/groups?selm=6f...ibur.flash.net

"SMWTMS listening tests at Jeff's Vajgart's apartment in May, 1977 compared
several "good" and "bad" amplifiers. My Dyna 400, and a Paoli 60 owned by
David West, represented the former. Two home brew amplifiers - the
Muller/Heath 10/7 watt (tube) and David Clark's "Schwartz 40" represented
the latter. Jeff had Spendor Loudspeakers, which were known to be accurate
reproducers."


You can't because you don't even know
what model it was.


I don't have to know what model it was. Ironically, SETs were virtually
unknown as hifi amplifiers at the time. Of course you weren't even aware of
these issues at the time, Weil. One of these days you'll have to learn that
there was a world before your litter was ejected from its mother.

Prove that it wasn't an SET.


I did, but you're in denial again, Weil.

As far as I know from
the site, it *could* be an SET, so I only "partially" lose.


You could have asked for more relevant facts if you had the brains and
decency to do so, Weil.


Weil bites the dust, again.

Yawn!




dave weil September 25th 03 03:40 PM

Advice needed on new Hi-Fi system
 
On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 06:47:16 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"SMWTMS listening tests at Jeff's Vajgart's apartment in May, 1977 compared
several "good" and "bad" amplifiers. My Dyna 400, and a Paoli 60 owned by
David West, represented the former. Two home brew amplifiers - the
Muller/Heath 10/7 watt (tube) and David Clark's "Schwartz 40" represented
the latter. Jeff had Spendor Loudspeakers, which were known to be accurate
reproducers."


This isn't proof. It's just a statement that you made.

BTW, even if it were true, why were you using obviously poorly built
home-brew amplifiers in a serious test?

guffaw!


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